5000km or 10000km oil change service

[JasonW]

I just done the 1000km service and asked the mistsubishi service about 5000km service oil change service as I normally do that myself. They said the service must be perform by them for warrenty purposes as Rcolt is a turbo car. The price is about $220 and I think is a bit much for oil change, filter and other little bit and pieces.

So the question is, anyone ask Mitsubishi Australia about this question b4? Can be do oil change ourself and do the major service by Mitsubishi service?

Thanks,
Jason

[lovecolt]

Yes i have. The answer is, you have to get either mitsubishi or qualified workshop to service and stamp your books. Self-oil change is only good for in between the service time.

[JasonW]

So is the 5000km considered as a "service" or "in between service"? I know the NA colt service is every 15000km.

Thanks again,
Jason

[lovecolt]

5000km is considered a service. 2500 + - is what i consider as "in between service"

See, i sometimes change my own oil every 3000km or so.

[Rdster]

They said the service must be perform by them for warranty purposes as Rcolt is a turbo car.

What you have been told is legally incorrect. As long as you have the vehicle serviced at an authorised service centre, and have your service book stamped at the time of service,it won't present a problem.

[JasonW]

Thanks for clarifying that for me :)

Cheers,
Jason

[Jusnippinout]

Hi guys. Bought my Ralliart Colt two weeks ago. So far, so good.

Re. the oil change service - I owned a Mitsu 'Airtrek' Turbo when I lived in Enzed (basically an Outlander with Evo engine and running gear and a funky front grille treatment, a great little car). Like the Colt, the Airtrek Turbo service book had a page for 5,000km oil change services, which I thought was unnecessary and expensive. I then realised that the oil change service was NOT compulsory but only 'recommended' and did not affect the warranty. I confirmed this with the dealer in Enzed.

When I bought the Colt I asked the dealer the same question and he said the oil change service was again optional. I think I checked in the service book and confirmed this but can't be 100% certain as I sit at work. I will check when I get home. In the meantime, you may want to check yourselves. As I said earlier, I think an oil change every 5,000km is unnecessary.

I have owned various factory turbos: MG Metro, Nissan 200SX (chipped, 250bhp), 2 Falcon XR6Ts and the Airtrek - and always changed oil at 10 or even 15K only, with absolutely no problems. Of course, changing more frequently will do no harm and if you regularly drive very fast or do track days then I'd happily agree that more frequent changes are a good idea.

[Steve-B]

but you raise a good point, if you can confirm the recommended / optional part that would be a great help as we need the facts, no use telling people its not needed and warranties getting voided, but like i said to start with, its a very good / interesting point.

[lovecolt]

As far as i know, even for authorised certified workshop, they would have to use original mitsubishi parts for servicing, in order for their work to be valid.

[putty_sydney]

OK. When I owned my Evo 9 Mitsubishi said I must use a genuine oil filter. The work must be performed by a registered mechanic....thats it. It used to cost me $90 from my mechanic using the Mitsubishi genuine filter.

Now, as for oil I will be using Amsoil. I have done my research on this stuff and it is the best you can get your hands on. In addition by using amsoil with an amsoil filter you will get 10-15K out of your oil.

Food for thought....

[Jusnippinout]

OK, I've spoken to Mitsu Oz. The guy I spoke to said that, to preserve the warranty, the owner must "follow the service schedule". So apparently, the 5,000km oil change is mandatory.

I asked him why the Colt needs oil changes three times more often than my XR6 turbo and, after suggesting it was because the Ford has a bigger engine (eh?) he then admitted that he had no technical knowledge..........:rolleyes:

I still believe that 5,000km oil changes are unnecessary, especially if we are to believe that oil has improved so much over the past ten years or so, and that engines are built better than they were (which I accept). Also, given that most car speedos read over by around 10%, we're all throwing away supposedly high quality, long-life oil every 4,500kms. For me, that's every couple of months!

I personally believe this is a simple money-spinner, and the main reason why manufacturers are offering longer warrantees. Time to put pen to paper :mad:

[Macca]

i really wouldnt want 10k old oil running thru the bearing of my turbo, seems as it spins at like 100,0000 rpm or somthing crazy like that.

Get your local MTA authorised mechanic to do them as mentions, it can only be good for your car.

[Jusnippinout]

i really wouldnt want 10k old oil running thru the bearing of my turbo, seems as it spins at like 100,0000 rpm or somthing crazy like that.

Get your local MTA authorised mechanic to do them as mentions, it can only be good for your car.

The rotation speed of a turbo is actually no big deal these days. Other devices run at similar rpm, such as some ultra-high vacuum 'turbo'pumps, and they are serviced once per year - or even less. Besides, other manufacturers have no problems with less frequent changes.

Heat is probably more of an issue than rpm.

[lovecolt]

We have to remember that a oil change also flush out the shit generated within the engine.

Hence, no matter how advanced is the oil to overcome the heat problem for prolonged time, it still can't go around the traditional propose of the oil change.

[Jusnippinout]

We have to remember that a oil change also flush out the shit generated within the engine.

Hence, no matter how advanced is the oil to overcome the heat problem for prolonged time, it still can't go around the traditional propose of the oil change.

I understand WHY oil changes are necessary; my question is why Mitsubishis seem to require them more often than other turbo cars.

[Rdster]

I understand WHY oil changes are necessary; my question is why Mitsubishis seem to require them more often than other turbo cars.

They're not the only ones.....

I have made it a habit to change my oil every 5k, regardless whether it was an atmo or turbo motor. An engine specialist friend of mine told me years ago that if you're going to keep your car for some time, that's what you got to do......:)

[Jusnippinout]

Being in a pedantic mood, I've just had a go at checking oil change intervals for similar (turbo) cars - Google is my Friend, Google is my Friend.......

As stated earlier, XR6T oil changes at 15,000km. I've had two of them, the last one getting up to 120,000kms or so with no engine probs whatsoever (but don't mention the brakes :rolleyes: )

Also, Holden (not renowned for the high quality of their cars....) recommend oil changes every 15,000 on the Astra SRi Turbo.

I have no prob with fussy owners changing more frequently, but making 5,000km changes a warranty condition is crap.

[lovecolt]

Not sure why Ford or Holden's turbo allows such a long interval, but my 200sx's service booklet has 5000 interval. So is all the other nissan turbos. That goes to all evos in aus as well.

Maybe the better overall quality of Jap cars over all other country made is the result of that??

[JasonW]

I have nothing against oil change every 5000km.... The only thing I don't agree is why can't we buy the oil and filter from Mitsubishi and do it ourself, just write in the service book when we done it to keep a record. Oil change is a very simple task that should cost no more than $35 - $50... Just don't feel like paying $200 - $220 to get it done when I can easily do it myself.

Cheers,
Jason

[lovecolt]

well, you don't have to go to a mitsu dealer for all your 5000km service. Me personally, use my own mechanic for each 5 to 10000km and go back to mitsu for every 15000km.

[Jusnippinout]

Not sure why Ford or Holden's turbo allows such a long interval, but my 200sx's service booklet has 5000 interval. ........

I had a 200SX Turbo in the UK about ten years ago, and the service interval was 6,000 miles (10,000kms).

[phul007]

Hi Guys after reading this thread you all mention about distance travelled. I have been given a crap company car but hey free fuel so I cant knock that back especiall when I drive sometime 1000Km in a week. I have a car that sits in the garage driven 4 times this year and is now going in for a service (real reason in other thread) due to 6 months since the last, Its done under 2K but can any one see why the oil should be changed. Does oil have shelf , I understand that sitting fresh in a bottle would affect it but in a engine that has some wear and other chemicals that may entered the sump through the process of running it. Could fuel from the cylinders may of entered the sump and cause the oil to break down. Im no chemical engineer but I am interested on your thoughts.

P.S I only use Fully Synthenic oil and start the car once a month to check the battery and give the motor run.

Phill:confused:

[lovecolt]

I had a 200SX Turbo in the UK about ten years ago, and the service interval was 6,000 miles (10,000kms).

Then i would have no idea then :p Maybe the climate difference between the 2 places??

[Jusnippinout]

Hi Guys after reading this thread you all mention about distance travelled. I have been given a crap company car but hey free fuel so I cant knock that back especiall when I drive sometime 1000Km in a week. I have a car that sits in the garage driven 4 times this year and is now going in for a service (real reason in other thread) due to 6 months since the last, Its done under 2K but can any one see why the oil should be changed. Does oil have shelf , I understand that sitting fresh in a bottle would affect it but in a engine that has some wear and other chemicals that may entered the sump through the process of running it. Could fuel from the cylinders may of entered the sump and cause the oil to break down. Im no chemical engineer but I am interested on your thoughts.

P.S I only use Fully Synthenic oil and start the car once a month to check the battery and give the motor run.

Phill:confused:

Modern oils should not deteriorate much over that length of time, and no significant amount of fuel would be in the cylinders to seep past the rings. The biggest issue will be moisture, i.e. condensation, but even that shouldn't be too much of a prob. If you are concerned, change just the oil yourself (filter should be OK). You don't need to worry about the warranty, unless you exceed the time interval between changes. If it's out of warranty - relax!

One point - if you start the car occasionally, make sure you get it up to working temperature before turning it off, otherwise you're encouraging moisture build-up in the oil through condensation that doesn't evaporate - this may turn to sludge. Camshaft pitting can result. You will also ensure full lubrication because the oil will thin and circulate properly.