turbo upgrade...

[tobster]

what is a good turbo upgrade for the rcolt?

[daedalusjc]

td04 or any wrx turbo. Expect 3500rpm full boost from a td04l. Easy fit with 2 flange changes. Oil + coolant lines almost exact same fitment

[ommeh]

+1 to TD04L

If not you can do a TD04 + TF035 Hybrid. If you search the forum I did post up all the good turbo upgrade choices :)

*EDIT*
http://www.rcolt.com/showthread.php?2911-Turbo-Guide-(www.ctfsg.com)

[Corosith]

Pardon my inexperience with turbos, but are any of these ball bearing units, thinking it may help with spool up time considering the lack of engine capacity on the colts when compared to say Evos/Sti's? Can we upgrade them?

[daedalusjc]

yeah subi vf series is the place to start. Vf22 and 23 might be a touch big for most users but will hit power like a mofo. Anything smaller or equivelant size to td04 in ball bearing cartridge would be the go. Exact same pcd and bolt pattern as a td04 series so swap overs are a piece of piss. Imho the td04 is perfect application. 3000 rpm 7 - 10 psi and 3500 to 3700 +19psi and proven to handle up to 200fwkw. Tf035 hybrid would be ok for most people but the beauty of td04 conversion is a)cheapness and availability of them. I paid $150 for mine and heaps of them and b) piece of cake to bolt any vf series on later. If you go with a tf your always going to be stuck with that bolt pattern and small turbo housing and probably want to change it later anyway. 160kw on the tf035 was really pushing it.

[ommeh]

Matt if i mod my manifold (Ebay one) to suit a TD04L what else will i need to get it all to work wonders? Injectors? Dump pipe? EBC? Retune? Anything else?

Really considering this after i come back from holiday~

[0dd0ne]

tommy from memory our stock injectors are fucked before the turbo is. i think they crap out at 160kw or something. most of the adap guys (not me -_-) went fuel pump, fuel reg and injectors. then after market manifold and the lower pipe work to suit.

[Corosith]

I don't think I'd be wanting to push the boundaries too far so I'd be completely happy with 145-155kw in a car light as the colt, plus manage to get some longevity out of the engine without having to do a rebuild too soon.

[0dd0ne]

coro last dyno run i was hitting 138 at the wheels. now with the pod and some ecu changes i reckon im closer to 145. its not enough! haha get used to the power so quickly.

[daedalusjc]

yeah ommeh pretty much what oddone said. 145 - 150 even on the stock turbo is achievable. anything 160ish + lookin at injectors, pump etc. i remember jems hit power quite early on stock turbo but it died in the ass after like 4500rpm. td04 at lower boost levels making same power till redline

[steel]

A VF38 is supposed to be a good turbo to change to - theoretical quick spool and similar top end to a TD04 but requires major work to make it fit, and must be done as a top mount. I have not succeeded in realising the benefits of it as yet.

I can't recommend one for now but this may change in a few days.

[steel]

I think it is more the shape of the twin scroll flange than the overall size of the turbo. They said they could have done it low mount but that would have compromised the design of the dump pipe. At least the info is out there for those who would even consider it.

[filofaith]

im using a Garratt GT25R small ball bearing turbo but cant see the need to go this way as the TD04L achieves similar results and cost like nothing, however ill wait till i get a proper dyno tune before i completely compare :)

[ommeh]

yeah ommeh pretty much what oddone said. 145 - 150 even on the stock turbo is achievable. anything 160ish + lookin at injectors, pump etc. i remember jems hit power quite early on stock turbo but it died in the ass after like 4500rpm. td04 at lower boost levels making same power till redline

So even if i choose to run the TD04L on low boost i could still push some big numbers? Can you list which injectors pumps etc you used and price so i can start putting money aside to get this done. I'm really game now to start punching some big numbers lol

[tobster]

thanks guys for all the replies and support much appreciated;)!!!

[husky510]

what about the the TD05?? too big??

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300526385372&viewitem=

[steel]

63dnl has a TD05. On the laggy side but batshit insane top end.

[0dd0ne]

if you like going fast in a straight line get the td05. i think with supporting mods (i.e. internals) that path would lead to some seriously fucking insane power figures for our little rockets.

[DisPlaCeD]

I figure I'll add here instead of starting a whole new thread.... What's the deal with all this Subaru VF talk?!! Don't any of the Evo VI-X turbos fit??

[daedalusjc]

ah probably because i was the first to do a turbo change and picked the td04 and since then its been a good fit with flanges and clearance. same pcd as vf series turbos. i.e you can bolt up a td04 and later on change to a vf22 and not change anything except turbo. all flanges are the same

[steel]

Except for the twin scrollers. I had to go and make things difficult by getting a VF38.

[DisPlaCeD]

ah probably because i was the first to do a turbo change and picked the td04 and since then its been a good fit with flanges and clearance. same pcd as vf series turbos. i.e you can bolt up a td04 and later on change to a vf22 and not change anything except turbo. all flanges are the same

Right... so the PCD of the stock Colt turbo manifold is same as a Subaru? Or did you swap manifolds? Because from memory the Evos are the same, from about the Evo VI through to the IX (X??) and you can swap and change to the newer turbo each new model...

[daedalusjc]

nah. stock colt pcd is completely different. we made manifolds to suit the td and vf's because there so common and cheap. but if you want to use an evo turbo cant see why not. from memory daniels td05 was at roughly 19 psi by 4000 rpm. td04 sees you about same psi by 3200 - 3400

[skyrex]

Plus stock turb is more than adequate up to 150-160kw, above that then youd need bigger.
Atm, mine is spooling @ just under 3k rpm, but runs out at top end still. Hopefully XR6 FMIC and hard pipes will fix that and get top end response up as well. Am buying a MIG welder from eGay very shortly and gonna learned myself to weld/make own pipes. :)

[daedalusjc]

yeah at 150 - 160 your spinning that bastard damn hard. Droves ayu's car the other day and its really noticeable drop in high rpm power and torque. If your happy to trade 500 to 700 rpm spool for 5000 to say 8000 rpm full power and torque then the td04's the way to go. If your gonna buy a mig man dont get a dodgy shitter. Spend money and get a good gas mig welder. Some secondhand workshop ones are good to look at

[Ayu452]

yeh as daed said...good for punchin arnd traffic...but get a serious decay in torque/power topend...thats 210hp and 300nm...i also run xr6 cooler...prob could squeeze more out wit some more aggresive timing and now that the cat is fixed
after seein matt do this thing i want a migger to...but all the ones r 15a gpo...so gotta get me one of those first....
some nice transmig/lincoln and wia going for about 1k...180A mig/arc/tig i believe...they also have wire feeder 1kg/5kg spool reels
20-30% duty at 170A...
and almost 100% duty at 100A

was lookin at 10a units...but so not worth it...entry level 15a seems to blow em out of the water
so might as well go that extra couple hundi...
but thats me...buy a tool once n buy it right..and lasts a life time

[daedalusjc]

was lookin at 10a units...but so not worth it...entry level 15a seems to blow em out of the water
so might as well go that extra couple hundi...but thats me...buy a tool once n buy it right..and lasts a life time

last sentence sums it up perfectly. may cost alot initially but knowing it will do the job for the rest of its life is well worth it

[filofaith]

evo turbos are only good if u can manage a TME turbo or evo IX ones as they are titanium wheeled and made to spool fast

[runuts]

evo turbos are only good if u can manage a TME turbo or evo IX ones as they are titanium wheeled and made to spool fast

The best option for the colt would be the EVO VII GTA (Auto) turbo

Titanium turbined turbo's are as follows
EVO VI TME/RS/RS2
EVO VII RS/RS2/NZDM
EVO IX RS
Possibly Evo VIII RS/RS2 was titanium as well, but I have no data to verify this.
EVO X RS also

[Ayu452]

there is a stock evo X turbo for sale...on evolutionoz forums...
looks like it will fit if u run ext wastegate and remove internal actuator
it looks like a twin scroll is that true?

[runuts]

Yes all Evo turbos from Evo 4 are twin scroll. If you are running an external gate, it will need to be divided right to the base of the valve, or alternatively run two gates

[Ayu452]

found this by accident...thought ppl be interested after run nuts mention evo turbos

info from http://forums.evolutionm.net/engine-turbo/197890-mitsubishi-oem-turbo-specifications-including-flow-rates.html
Mitsubishi OEM Turbo Specifications

Flow Rates @ 15psi:
TDO4-9B-6CM2 265 CFM
TDO5-12A-8CM2 320 CFM
TDO4-13G-5CM2 360 CFM
TEO4-13C-6CM2 360 CFM
TDO4L-13G-6CM2 360 CFM
TDO4L-15C-8.5CM2 390 CFM
TDO5H-14B-6CM2 405 CFM
TDO5H-14G-8CM2 465 CFM
TDO5H-16G-7CM2 505 CFM
TDO5H-16G-10CM2 505 CFM
TDO6-17C-8CM2 550 CFM
TDO6H-20G-14CM2 650 CFM
TDO7S-25G-17CM2 850 CFM
TFO8L-30V-18CM2 1200 CFM

Max Output:
TD05-14B (stock 1st gen) 275-300hp @ 21 psi
TD05-16G (small) 345-365hp @ 22 psi
TD06-16G (large) 365-385hp @ 22 psi
TD06-20G 430-450hp @ 22 psi
T25 (stock 2nd gen) 235-250hp @ ?? psi
T3 (super 60)/T2.5 hybrid 265-280hp @ ?? psi
T3 (super 60)/T2.8 hybrid 270-320hp @ ?? psi

Evolution 1
Turbo = TDO5H–16G-7
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 7
Exhaust turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium, 60mm wide

Evolution 2
Turbo = TDO5H–16G-7
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 7
Turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium, 60mm wide


Evolution 3
Turbo = TD05H–16G6-7
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 7
Turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 4
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-9T
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 9
Turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 5
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-10.5T (GSR)
TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T (RS)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 10.5
Turbine = Inconel (steel alloy), Titanium alloy (RS)
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 6
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-10.5T (GSR)
TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T (RS/rs2)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 10.5
Turbine = GSR - Inconel (steel alloy), Titanium alloy (RS/RS2)
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 6 : Tommi Makinen Edition
Turbo = TD05RA-15GK2-10.5T (GSR)
TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T (RS/rs2)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 10.5
Turbine = Titanium alloy for both RS/RS2/GSR!
Compressor = Aluminium, 65mm (gsr) - 68mm(rs) wide


Evolution 7
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-9.8T (GSR)
TD05HRA-16G6-9.8T (RS/RS2)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 9.8
Turbine = GSR - Inconel (steel alloy), RS/Rs2=Titanium alloy
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 7 GTA
Turbo = TD05-15GK2-9.0T
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 9.0
Turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium, 65mm wide


Evolution 8
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-9.8T (GSR / USDM)
TD05HRA-16G6-9.8T (RS/RS2 & NZDM) or 6MT:TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T (model unknown)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 9.8
Turbine = USDM EVO 8 & JDM GSR =Inconel (steel alloy),
RS=Titanium alloy.
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide

Evolution MR aka "8.5"
GSR = TD05HR-16G6-10.5T or TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T (Ti Alloy option)
RS = 6MT:TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T or 5MT:TD05HRA-16G6-9.8T
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 10.5 or 9.8(RS-5speed)
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 9
USDM & JDM = TD05HRA-16G6C-10.5T
Turbine: GSR / GT = Inconel alloy, RS = Titanium alloy
Compressor: GSR / GT = Aluminium, RS = Magnesium Alloy
(??) mm wide (to be verified.)

Nozzle Area (cm2) = 10.5 (note: to be confirmed that RS 5MT has 10.5)

RS E9 turbo part number 1515A059 (approx cost 250,000 yen from Mitsi Japan). *Warning* There are reports of RS magnesium compressor wheel failing if boosted above stock boost.

More Evo 9 Turbo info:
... * New more efficient & larger Compressor preventing compressor surge
... * Better pump gas efficiency
... * Turbine Nozzle Area (cm2) = Large 10.5 Hotside (single flapper)
... * Improve actuator design

Side by side comparison E8 v E9 turbos (E9 is on the left and E8 on the right):
Twin scroll design

All Evo 4-8 Turbos are twin scroll designs meaning that the engines exhaust is divided into two channels (see first pic). As the engine exhausts in pulses.. its supposed to result in quicker spooling. From the Evo 4 onwards, the Turbo spins in the opposite direction, i.e. Anticlockwise (hence the R in the turbo name). The Titanium Alumnide alloy used in the RS/RS2 and some GSRS (factory option) has less inertia and thus spins up around 500 rpm sooner. These Titanium turbos can be indentified by the A in their name.

Primary source of data: http://www.nzevo.com/index.php?name=...iewtopic&p=188

[scientist]

The best option for the colt would be the EVO VII GTA (Auto) turbo

Titanium turbined turbo's are as follows
EVO VI TME/RS/RS2
EVO VII RS/RS2/NZDM
EVO IX RS
Possibly Evo VIII RS/RS2 was titanium as well, but I have no data to verify this.
EVO X RS also

EVO IX RS and Evo X RS are Mag wheel not titanium. The real world spool difference between it and the standard wheels are minimal in practice

[Geebung71]

turbo upgrade check it out
turbo model appears to be similar to what RPW offer

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kinugawa-Upgrade-Turbocharger-4G15-Colt-Turbo-Ralliart-R-Czt-TF035HM-15T-200HP-/290674759276?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43ad90d66c

[0dd0ne]

Just a bigger compressor wheel isn't it?


I'm looking for something the same size as a Garrett 2560r with a billet wheel

[Macca]

Hmm the big problem with the colt is the turbine wheel!

Its too small for the car, And easy causes Compressor surge at wide open throttle down low.

My car is an absolute whore for it, my mivec map has a huge dip in it to prevent the surging.

Any upgrade is really useless with out a larger turbine wheel

[espionage8]

get a td04 and call it a day. cheaper, faster.

[Mitsiman]

Thats interesting to see some other aftemrarket suppliers are coming out.

That is similiar to the turbo we do, but we actually have transplanted TD04 turbo cartridge into the factory TF035 exhaust housing with the same 15T intake wheel. So our turbo is bigger again but on the exhaust side as well.

We had to get a jig made to machine out the exhaust housing on the colt turbo to do it though.

But this would be a nice upgrade for someone wanting somethign a little larger than stock.

[0dd0ne]

Hmm the big problem with the colt is the turbine wheel!

Its too small for the car, And easy causes Compressor surge at wide open throttle down low.

My car is an absolute whore for it, my mivec map has a huge dip in it to prevent the surging.

Any upgrade is really useless with out a larger turbine wheel

dude the problem is its too small in general. at least for my purposes.

[daedalusjc]

Ha agreed. The inlet into the exhaust Flange is a joke.

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