Fmic

[husky510]

could some one point me in the right direction for a 'site' on ebay where i can get the 'ideal' FMIC for the Colt?

regards

[filofaith]

Justjap do a 550x140x65 there Sydney based I'm sure either go eBay or ther website

[bunnybash]

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Xr6t-Fmic-t240308.html&mode=threaded&pid=4216640

something like this that is an old post that was never resolved is awesome... will be able to offer him $50 and get it from him...

just trawl some Xr6 forums

[J Girl]

Trust me this is the perfect intercooler for the RColt
Read in my thread:
http://www.rcolt.com/showthread.php?3070-J-Girl-s-intercooler-set-up

Here are a few on Ebay, But are a bit too pricey for what they normally sell for.
If you can get a good condition FPV F6 Intercooler.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/XR6-TURBO-STANDARD-INTERCOOLER-/120611805797?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories#ht_500wt_ 1154
OR
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/FORD-FALCON-BA-XR6-TURBO-STOCK-INTERCOOLER-BLACK-/290465593556?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories#ht_634wt_ 913

[Macca]

RPW's pipe kit for aftermarket cores should be ready in a few weeks

[Blaze]

Got mine for 30bucks off ebay. Just waiting on the rpw kit too. Seems simple to mount and looks stock

[ELEGNT]

what filo said. Mine and his are 180s tho. But the 140 will fit better. Get it off there site for about 180 delivered

[ommeh]

mine is the just jap cooler~

mine is the 140 and as rowan saw~ it sits really nice~

[husky510]

thanks alot guys...

I like the Ford intercooler alternative and i have had a couple of F6 Typhoon's so i know the coolers perform well... but i think ppl still want too much money for them 2nd hand.

I like the fact i can get a brand spanner with no bent fins from justjap for $169.00

Thats a pretty good deal and would look hot as well

[Macca]

mine is the just jap cooler~

mine is the 140 and as rowan saw~ it sits really nice~

Didnt you have to remove all your mesh grill to get it to fit?

[husky510]

would this work?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NEW-TURBO-BOV-INTERCOOLER-550x180x65-NISSAN-TOYOTA-/130423226574?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories

[ommeh]

yer thats what rowan is using~

Mine is 550x140

[0dd0ne]

you'd have to butcher your front bar and the size isnt necessary. a BA xr6 cooler is twice the size as a stocky as is.

just keep an eye on ebay, mine was $45 and didnt have bent fins.

[J Girl]

Yeah I brought my all most new (Had only done a few 1000klm) FPV F6 Intercooler for $80 bucks.
I think anything bigger than what they and you will need to do some major cutting as the F6 core JUST fits perfect with only VERY Minor trimming of the bottom lip inside that you dont see anyway
and what most important is that the Front Crash/bumper support is still in place with this set up.

[ELEGNT]

in my opinion husky, the bigger the better to be safe. Yeh the xr6t is ok, may be a little harder to pipe up too, but for an extra 100 bucks you get a brand new straight fin one with no stonchips or anything. I have the 550x180x65 and from going from the stock cooler to this i came on boost about 400rpm earlier. and you get more power out of the top end as it flows nicer not getting cramped in the tiny as side mount. This was the same for everyone i know that has that type of fmic

[skyrex]

^^ Interesting to know ^^
Would you reccommend the 180 tall or 140 tall? Being that from comparison of what I can see in pics that 40mm diff is being blocked of any airflow anyways.
I guess too an extra benefit of opting for an XR6T cooler is it will fit behind the stock mesh grill to aid protecting it from stones, bugs, birds, small children, etc...

[0dd0ne]

I think the final call comes down to whether you want to butcher your front grill etc. Elegent doesnt seem to mind having the cooler up front and easy to see, I wanted it stealth. Either way you will see improvements and if you shop around you will get a cheap cooler regardless opf which one. The money factor is actually all the pipe work.

[Corosith]

I think it has more to do with the amount of air the intercooler can flow and how efficent the core is at getting rid of the heat versus outright size. Considering the XR6 intercooler is made to cool a lot larger engine, you would think it would easily cool and flow enough air for a 1.5 litre engine.

[ELEGNT]

lol@ 0dd0ne and getting my cooler out and about. Yeh i dont mind it hey hahaha

And no with the just jap coolers you are not able to put the mush in neatly so i just took it out. No bumpers need to get cut tho.

Skyrex definatly the 140 man as you said the 40mm does not get used pretty much

As blake said its all up to you weather your like me and want an oversize cooler in prep for big mods and have it nice and shinny for everyone to see. Or get a xr6 cooler and hide it stealth, and would nearly have the potential of the bigger ones.

[husky510]

i don't know if agree with the ford being a bigger motor,the std XR6/F6 intercooler would benefit our 1.5l engine.

sure, it is smaller but my F6 ran 9psi standard... my colt runs nearly 16psi... that means it is nearly twice as much heat. An XR6T runs 7psi std, which is quite low as well.

Thats why i am swaying towards the 550mm long core

[Zadok]

It all depends on the size of the turbo husky, as I'm sure the XR6 turbo is much larger than the colt, with 7psi on their turbo more than likely generating as much if not more air flow than our tiny turbo at 16psi. To do an accurate comparison you would need to do proper calculations, but I don't know the mathematics nor could I be bothered working it out. I only know that when I stick my XR6T next to the stock colt unit it is roughly twice as large and from all reports it fits stealthily in behind the mesh, so it will be more than enough for what I ever need.

[husky510]

hmmmm! but when we are talking psi it doesn't matter how big or small the turbo is, psi is psi!!! the more psi the more heat is generated.

I am not saying that the Ford intercooler in n ot sufficent.. its just wasn't built for 16 psi...

My F6 typhoon was mod'ed and had 340kw at 12 psi. If you want more power out of the ford's you have to run a bigger cooler to run higher psi (14-16)psi... the standard coolers just don't do their job at that psi.

I am definitely no expert, but it makes sense to me that if my colt is pushing 16psi and a ford was modified to run 16psi that the cooler would not be sufficient in both curcumstances.

You can't argue PSI vs PSI !!! they are both the same and are pushing exactly the same volume of air

[ELEGNT]

psi is the pressure it is different to the rate it flows

yes the colt turbo may make more pressure (16psi) it makes no where near the flow rate.

our turbo at 16psi will have no where near the flow speed of a GT30R (or whatever the f6 runs) at 7psi

still would go the just jap cooler mate

[Zadok]

I'm no expert either mate, but I do know that the intercooler is designed to cool air coming from the turbo before it is forced into the engine, so personally I can't see the PSI making any difference. I believe it is the flow rate that you should be worried about, as that would be the restriction on an XR6T, not the actual boost pressure itself. The reason you would need a larger cooler for the XR6T is that the intercooler would no longer be able to effectively cool the amount of air being forced through it once you increased the boost too much. Anyway, that's my opinion with my admittedly small knowledge base :).

I also personally went with the XR6T core as I'm after a stealth look, but if I were after a bit more bling I would have opted for another core like the one Rowan has suggested. At the end of the day it's your money though, so spend it how you like :D

[husky510]

haven't decided what to do... For ease of fitting a Ford cooler would be better, but an aftermarket cooler would look awesome... someone is asking $250 for a Ford cooler on ebay which is just plain ridiculous, even $100 is rich... I still think a bigger cooler will cool the air alot more efficiently which is obvious, i am just worried about the lag with all the added piping, as the colt has plenty of that going on already.

[ELEGNT]

haven't decided what to do... For ease of fitting a Ford cooler would be better, but an aftermarket cooler would look awesome... someone is asking $250 for a Ford cooler on ebay which is just plain ridiculous, even $100 is rich... I still think a bigger cooler will cool the air alot more efficiently which is obvious, i am just worried about the lag with all the added piping, as the colt has plenty of that going on already.

mate read my post about lag on the last page

[husky510]

Just got an email

I can have a 550x180x65 brand new cooler for $105.00 if i go and pick it up out of Brisbane

[heatseca]

Wow, $105?? If the quality is good that is a bargain!

[husky510]

yeah thats what i thought

[odysseyesm]

hmmmm! but when we are talking psi it doesn't matter how big or small the turbo is, psi is psi!!! the more psi the more heat is generated.

I am not saying that the Ford intercooler in n ot sufficent.. its just wasn't built for 16 psi...

My F6 typhoon was mod'ed and had 340kw at 12 psi. If you want more power out of the ford's you have to run a bigger cooler to run higher psi (14-16)psi... the standard coolers just don't do their job at that psi.

I am definitely no expert, but it makes sense to me that if my colt is pushing 16psi and a ford was modified to run 16psi that the cooler would not be sufficient in both curcumstances.

You can't argue PSI vs PSI !!! they are both the same and are pushing exactly the same volume of air

It's still the same PSI but the flow is much higher on the F6.
Look at it this way, if you have a garden hose (small diameter) and a fire hose (large diameter) you can get more water out of a fire hose than the garden hose at the same PSI. It's partly to do with Bernoulli's principle, there's three things in the equation: Pressure, volume and flow. If you have constant pressure with increased flow available in the fire hose then the volume of water moved is going to be greater.

[husky510]

yes i understand that (the hose anology)... but the Ford intercooler used on both a Ford and/or Colt will still have the same size outlet and inlet on the cooler... in other words... if i have a an F6 typhoon on a dyno and a colt on a dyno next to it (both fitted with the same Ford intercooler) and pull off the pipe at the exit of the intercooler and put my hand where the air will blow, and if they are both tuned to run 16 psi then my hand will feel the same pressure out of that pipe on both cars...

sorry i must be an idiot if i have that wrong

[husky510]

i am just a guy who sells Solar so get up me if i am wrong... ha ha ha ha!!!!

[skyrex]

Yes, you would have the same pressure because they are both tuned to 16psi. If you hand was flat against the cold side of the cooler outlet sealing it. That's what pressure is.
If you hold you hand a couple cms off the outlet pipe you wouldn't feel pressure, you'd feel the flow.

Pressure (Pounds per Square Inch) is a volumetric measurement typically in a sealed container or environment, not a figure of much power a turbo can make per-sae.

The internals and housing of a turbo need to obviously withstand a certain pressure rating otherwise while it's flowing air into the system it's connected to and charging it, it doesn't have a curry reflux and blow the charged air out it's ass.

The psi rating is typically measured from inside the intake plenum, and psi is a measurement of pressure exherted inside the plenum, not so much at other points of the intake charge system.

Pressure between both systems would be same, the flow would be different.
Most importantly the flow in the colt would be improved over stock as the turbo doesnt have to slog it guts out to get the same amount of air down the pipes into the cooler and up into the engine. Thus why people find the turbo's spooling at around 2100rpm versus 2500rpm from stock. Not working as hard to overcome restrictions causing undue load/pressure on the turbo.

Going back on the garden hose/fire hose image - a good real life test is to get a Maccas straw and a KFC straw, blow with the same effort through both straws and feel how much easier it is to blow through the Maccas straw as its bigger. Once can use for exaggeration of the scenario a hand towel tube and a straw.

Then once you got that all figured out you introduce the volumetric difference of stock versus bigger coolers. Bigger cooler needs more air to charge to 16psi thus where the flow really starts to become important to ensure it's not going to take forever to charge a bigger cooler. Hello boost lag.

Think how like how plane cabins are pressurised at altitude. Bigger international planes need more time to pressurise, smaller domestic ones are quicker.

Except planes are designed to hold sea level asmospheric pressure of 14.7psi which is what the human body is used to, where as turbo systems psi rating is pressure over the sea level pressure of 14.7psi. Now I am getting off track lol.

Sorry for the brain fry session, I'm fried myself and off to bed. Feel free to correct if I got anything wrong or mixed up any analogies. :)

[fauxpas]

lol... Dood just wants a front mount... :rolleyes:

[ommeh]

You want a cheap intercooler?

$100 and i get you the same size one as mine :)

Got a spare one if you want it.

[husky510]

i just picked the cooler up. I managed to get his last 140. so happy about that!

[ELEGNT]

i just picked the cooler up. I managed to get his last 140. so happy about that!

good on ya mate, im happy to help you out if you need some help with piping or mounting etc. just let me know

if you need photos there is detailed ones of my install in my members rides section

[Macca]

Think how like how plane cabins are pressurised at altitude. Bigger international planes need more time to pressurise, smaller domestic ones are quicker.

Except planes are designed to hold sea level asmospheric pressure of 14.7psi which is what the human body is used to, where as turbo systems psi rating is pressure over the sea level pressure of 14.7psi. Now I am getting off track lol.

Sorry for the brain fry session, I'm fried myself and off to bed. Feel free to correct if I got anything wrong or mixed up any analogies. :)

Incorrect.

Planes DO NOT hold sea pressure levels.

I know, im an aircraft engineer.

they generally hold around 8000ft cabin pressure

which is more pressure inside than outside.

they do not "pump up" the cabin so to speak, they do a little before take off due to the location of the valvles which control the flow of out of the cabin.

but as they go higher they pump air in to maintain the cabin pressure and monitor the flow out as to not pump it up too much.

yes they need pressure in them but 14psi differental pressure between the outside and inside of a 747 is going to get you into serious trouble, alarms will be going off int he flight deck and everything, I have done it :D with test tools, but applying a vacuume on the sensor and making it think it was at like 50,000ft lol

[husky510]

hey.. stupid question.. I am not going to set any airbags off am i by pulling stuff off the front end? And what is the little sensor near the horn.?. I need to move it!

[0dd0ne]

its a yellow thing from memory. it sits under the crash bar. you will see it pretty clearly.

[Macca]

Airbags stuff is always yellow, if your worried putt the battery

The sensor is the ambiant air temp sensor fort he AC system yes you can move it

[skyrex]

they generally hold around 8000ft cabin pressure

yes they need pressure in them but 14psi differental pressure between the outside and inside of a 747 is going to get you into serious trouble, alarms will be going off int he flight deck and everything, I have done it :D with test tools, but applying a vacuume on the sensor and making it think it was at like 50,000ft lolAhh, k so they don't hold pressure from the ground, they wait till 8000ft above before they then begin to regulate pressure? Interesting to know, it makes more sense too I guess, thus why our ears pop from the drop in pressure to what we are used to on ground.

[sabeli]

hahahah are you pilot like me.. cause those stories are giving me headaches ... reminds me of reading BAK books ...lol

[Macca]

hahahah are you pilot like me.. cause those stories are giving me headaches ... reminds me of reading BAK books ...lol

Im an aircraft engineer.

Skyrex what they do on a boeing is pump pressure into the hull before take off due to the position of the valves they tends to accidentally pressurize the aircraft on rotation due to a ram air effect.

Once its pressurized the excess air is then bled off in those valves above

As it goes higher the volume of air sucked in by the air-condition systems which is used to pressurize the aircraft which is taken off the compressor of the engine will be more.

But as mentioned its kinda pumped up before take off and as you go higher the air around you drops in pressure, and you cant really keep the pressure at sea level as the difference between the inside and outside will become too much and it would explode so they bleed air from the cabin to outside to raise the altitude on the inside the aircraft to reduce the difference in pressure.

I think on a 747-400 a differential pressure of 12psi is getting bad cant remember

they also use the difference in pressure between to suck the poo from the toilet above 15000ft

[!Greedy168]

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