Donor car required for Whiteline R&D

[Corosith]

Hi guys, I've had a reply from Andrew Nolan at Whiteline regarding the need for a donor car to help out with R&D in the suspension/chassis area (from the Sydney area). He will only require a colt for short period of time according to his email.

Please contact Andrew on the below listed details if you are interested in helping out.

Andrew Nolan
Marketing Manager
Redranger P/L
Home of Nolathane & Whiteline
P. +612 4340 9535
F. +612 4340 2466
M. 0414 736 988
Skype: andy-redranger
E. andrew@redranger.com.au
W. www.whiteline.com.au
W. www.nolathane.com.au

[Steve-B]

Gosh thats annoying ( hi coro ! )
I emailed this guy once a week for months ( also re: whiteline thread i made for names ) and only now he wants one ?
lol, what a joke.

[steel]

Contacted.

[Corosith]

Hi Steve, I know there have been promises made in the past regarding R&D work from various companies including whiteline, and that current and former owners have been very patient waiting for things to happen (i.e. also regarding ECU development, ECUTEK etc.), but the simple fact is that more popular vehicle models have had preference over the colt in this area. Either way, he is offering so we should take the opportunity to get the ball rolling on this before they change their mind and move onto something else. We've got nothing to lose by doing this!

On ya steel!

[filofaith]

YAY good work steel !! finally so cheaper suspension options that dont have the shipping costs

[fauxpas]

steve-b lives!!!

[steel]

I have contacted him in as much as I have emailed the guy offering a loan of the car and am awaiting a response as to what exactly he has in mind.

Could be that he wants a car with stock suspension from which to develop - I already have the BC Coilovers but taking a wild guess, it looks like one of his companies specialises in bushings so who knows, we could end up with a cheaper polyurethane bushing option than the Ralliart bushes out of it.

[Corosith]

I was thinking along the lines of developing sway bars, bushes, full suspension kit, anti-lift kit etc. Hopefully they can come through with the goods!

[stylo]

Wow .. about time ..

Good on ya steel !

[alba]

Att: Whiteline
anti-lift kit, proper sway bars, springs and nonalthane bushes please!

[Corosith]

Best to ring Andrew directly regarding the offer of loaning your colt to them, email responses have been pretty slow in the past.

[steel]

I have heard back from Whiteline.

They seem mainly interested in starting with a rear sway bar but possibly other things in the next 4-6 weeks, so I have passed on the request from this thread and am awaiting contact again. Lucky for me I pretty much don't need the car through the week, but damn, that place sure looks far from a train station.

It might be worth gauging interest from you guys for certain suspension products in this thread.

I myself would be interested in a rear sway bar and bushings.

[filofaith]

I have heard back from Whiteline.

They seem mainly interested in starting with a rear sway bar but possibly other things in the next 4-6 weeks, so I have passed on the request from this thread and am awaiting contact again. Lucky for me I pretty much don't need the car through the week, but damn, that place sure looks far from a train station.

It might be worth gauging interest from you guys for certain suspension products in this thread.

I myself would be interested in a rear sway bar and bushings.

front and rear strut bracing

front and rear Sway bars

camber tops

etc...

[odysseyesm]

Anti-lift kit Please....

I'd lurve 2 get an LSD but the funds don't allow it ATM....

[steel]

I followed up and had a quick chat with Andrew just now. He said that they are working on some other projects at the moment and will get back to me in 3 or 4 weeks or so, when they are ready to schedule a time. It also turns out that they will give me a loan car for the time they have my car so that makes things much easier.

[Zadok]

Nice mate. I'm sure a lot of us are looking forward to what they will develop for our little car :)

[Corosith]

Excellent, glad to see they are looking after you!

[Corosith]

Any progress on this yet?

[steel]

Not as yet. I'll give them until around mid next week and then chase up if I haven't heard from them.

[Zadok]

I'm really looking forward to seeing what they come up with, hopefully it makes a significant improvement to handling (I've never fitted a car with sway bars of any sort so am unsure of what real differences will be evident).

[filofaith]

I'm really looking forward to seeing what they come up with, hopefully it makes a significant improvement to handling (I've never fitted a car with sway bars of any sort so am unsure of what real differences will be evident).

mate ull feel the difference for sure :)

[stylo]

Not as yet. I'll give them until around mid next week and then chase up if I haven't heard from them.

get on to them steel I want to make my RColt more of a go-cart then it already is !

[steel]

I hear ya and am also looking forward to it. I've got some other big upgrades coming up so it will be nice to balance the increased power with handling.

[Corosith]

When I say Koshy on Monday, he had just fitted the Cusco rear swaybar to his standard ride height rcolt, and noticed quite a lot of difference to the handling (positive difference that is).:)

Yep, keep on their case Steel, don't want this opportunity to slip past them again!;)

[steel]

Heard back from Whiteline. I might be leaving the car with them from Monday because an R35GTR was delayed until later in the week LOL!

[silman]

Rear sway bar and springs yes please!

[Corosith]

Bugger the GTR, colt comes first! Good news and thanks for your patience Steel.:)

[steel]

The car is booked in. They will have it for 2 days or so from Monday to take measurements and do prototypes etc. I will get the car back Wednesday night, and production samples should be back in a month or so for fitment.

I will request the following from them in order of priority:


Rear sway bars
Front sway bars
Anti-lift kits
Master cylinder stopper
Polyurethane bushings
Rear strut braces
Front strut braces
Camber tops
Springs


I will edit this post to add further items or possibly change the priority - last chance to mention them!

I'm a layman, but I wonder if they could do anything that would make the camber adjustable on the rear wheels, or if there would be any point to that?

[ELEGNT]

just a few questions Steel, Anti-lift kits and Polyurethane bushings ive heard do wonders for off the line traction. is this correct can you explain how they work

also camber tops, can you explain these please

:)

[filofaith]

Front and rear sway bars shud be a priority as they cost 500 each from cusco if they cab copy cusco design for rear that'd be awsome.... Also strut bars are important front with brake master cylinder stopper???

[steel]

The car has been left with Whiteline. I will get it back some time later this week, but told them there is no rush if more time means more products.

[Corosith]

Thanks mate, I think we all appreciate you lending out your car to help us all out.

[alba]

you're definitely doing some good work here Steel....

[ELEGNT]

just a few questions Steel, Anti-lift kits and Polyurethane bushings ive heard do wonders for off the line traction. is this correct can you explain how they work

also camber tops, can you explain these please

:)

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[steel]

I can't comment in detail about anti-lift kits more than that they add some caster to the front which apparently lets you put down more power off the line without wheelspinning.

My understanding is that polyurethane bushings are stiffer than the stock rubber bushings and when substituted on the control arms etc reduce chassis flex.

As for camber tops, I believe that coilovers have this - the way the strut is mounted, there is a certain freedom of movement such that you can change the camber from the top down.

Not 100% sure but I think a camber top would be a modification to the top mount of the stock front struts that adds this feature.

Anyone else is welcome to expand or correct me on this.

[alba]

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mate, do a google search on anti-lift kits for early model wrx
theres a whiteline article that explains them really well

polyurethane bushes are harder than the stock rubber. stiffen up the suspension, less prone to unwanted movement and help keep the suspension in the correct geometry under load. quite common for older cars as an upgrade because the std rubber bushes are usually knackered after a couple of years of being subjected to road grime and heat cycling. i had nolathane in my old escort, put them in myself

camber tops just allow you to adjust camber... i think. i'm not familiar with them really, i always thought they came with the higher end coilover sets???

[Macca]

Camber tops are used on McPherson struts.

Its is a plate that replaces the top plate with the bearing for turning the strut and the mount bolts. It allows you to change the camber angle of the whole strut assy by sliding the mount left and right at the top thus changing the camber at the wheel as in a normal top its fixed in one position.

[ELEGNT]

thanks guys ill look up more on anti lift kits, look like a good mod tho :)

[steel]

I had a call back from Whiteline and will be getting the car back tomorrow.

Their opinion is that the main opportunity for improvement is in rear sway bars, so that is the main product that will come out of this. With the BCs having the rear bar in will allow the damping rate to be dialled back for a bit of a smoother ride with the same quality of handling.

Otherwise, they thought that the car handles pretty nicely and chassis-bracing wise it is set up pretty well from the factory.

They mentioned that some parts of the suspension are interchangeable with the parts used in the Ralliart Lancer - don't quote me but I think they said the front lower control arms are what they are talking about there.

[Blaze]

This is awesome news

Any updates on when they will start designing and production?

[steel]

Got the car back just now with nolathane bushings in but no rear bar. It was the bushings for the Ralliart Lancer that fit exactly as is. I would imagine the bushings will cost exactly the same as those, but with market segmentation you never know.

For the rear sway bar, it will be a fixed bar, not adjustable, with final prices around $300. Preproduction samples will take about a month with full retail in maybe 3 months.

[stylo]

Wow .. we waited 2 years for this .. surely they could have fit us in between all their biiiiiig R&D projects.

Obvious question ... did they say the RLancer bushings were different / better than the ones already on your RColt ... Assume you will be back to the shop in a months time to trial the rear bar ? No mention of availability of adjustable front camber bolts ?

[stylo]

... or are they aftermarket nolothane bushes that they've used for the RLancers which also fit on the RColt ??

[steel]

For camber bolts I guess they would need to get a Colt in with the stock (front) suspension.

And yes, correct, it is the aftermarket Nolathane bushes they have used for the RLancers that apparently fit on the RColt, but to me that says the stock ones would also fit (for what that is worth),

[Macca]

This is the only part for control arm fitted to the RLancer on the whiteline page

http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_detail.php?part_number=KCA329


Edit that, they are for the rear.

[lovecolt]

For camber bolts I guess they would need to get a Colt in with the stock (front) suspension.

And yes, correct, it is the aftermarket Nolathane bushes they have used for the RLancers that apparently fit on the RColt, but to me that says the stock ones would also fit (for what that is worth),

Niels, if they mention about needing a colt with stock suspension, let them know i'm up for it as i can always drive my peug around :)

[steel]

I'll sus them out about that when I get the bar put on.

[Zadok]

Thanks for that steel. I'm really interested in your experiences before and after fitting the sway bar when the time comes :)

[Corosith]

I've noticed that Whiteline now have a listing for the anti-lift/castor kit to suit the rcolt (same as Ralliart Lancer one), $290.33 for the kit - hoe in guys, there should be a few people around here keen to try these.:)

http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_detail.php?part_number=KCA401M&page=2

[steel]

Ah, so that's what they call it. Nice.

[Macca]

Wow very nice!

[Jemjem]

Just had a read up on it...... very nice.... just what we need with the increased power that's happening

[ELEGNT]

i really want, but dont want to be the 1st one to try it this time...

ill wait for feedback

[Macca]

steel has them on.

its whiteline dont bother waiting get them.

even ralliart sells that bush as an upgrade

[Macca]

steel has them on.

its whiteline dont bother waiting get them.

even ralliart sells that bush as an upgrade

[alba]

steel has them on.

its whiteline dont bother waiting get them.

even ralliart sells that bush as an upgrade

i'm on it
will be fitted when i get springs fitted within next month or so

[Jemjem]

I placed an order last night with them, know how difficult it will be to fit them???

[Macca]

Remove lower control arm

Fit to lower control arm

Re fit lower control arm

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u236/Macca_gong/Untitled2-2.jpg

is the big round one at the back

also

http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/whiteline-mitsubishi-lancer-ralliart-caster-kit-KCA401M.html

[Juri-1st]

Is that the same part which ralliart also offers for the front lowerarm (rear) ?

Part Nr.: RA403441K1

Link:http://www.poweraxel.com/archvs/ralliart/catalogue/colt_version-r/c2.html

Or is it something different?

[Macca]

Same item.

[Juri-1st]

Ok thanks.

That means i can spend my money on other things as i already have the ralliart bushings.;)

[0dd0ne]

Remove lower control arm

Fit to lower control arm

Re fit lower control arm

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u236/Macca_gong/Untitled2-2.jpg

is the big round one at the back

also

http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/whiteline-mitsubishi-lancer-ralliart-caster-kit-KCA401M.html

what a bastard of a job that would be at home

[Macca]

Not really a few bolts and your dont, hard part would be getting the old one out and in with the new, Could be pressed in.

[Jemjem]

not sure on that, it looks hard to do.........

[pAuL]

a hoist makes everything easier !

[steel]

If I get a house or garage built one day I think I might get it done extra high to allow for a hoist.

[alba]

If I get a house or garage built one day I think I might get it done extra high to allow for a hoist.

lol
the money it costs for the hoist would negate any benefit from doing stuff yourself

[Macca]

a pair of stands would be fine for the above job

[filofaith]

front sway being done as well yeh??

btw thanks steel for the donor car awaiting ur opinions :)

[steel]

No front sway. I'll be getting the rear one and will see how I go. They might have reached the conclusion that a front sway was not necessary because of my BCs.

Come to think of it, it might be worth someone with a more stock suspension setup being the donor car, but then again, I can't think of anyone off the top of my head who has done just a bar as a first suspension mod.

I'll sus them out when I next have the car up there, but that might not be until after the upcoming round of mods.

[Corosith]

I hope that doesn't mean that the produced bar will be only suitable for colts with ultra stiff coilovers, or have they made some allowances to cater for the colts with stock suspension?

[steel]

The rear spring rate is 4kg/mm so I don't know if I would describe that as "ultra stiff" but I am pretty sure the bar will work well.

[smit05]

Had a whiteline bar on a corolla and it really improved the boat like behaviour it displayed on corners. when should these be ready for purchase. as mine is a lease car this will be probably the only mod that I do.

[Macca]

ALSO AVAILABLE
KCA401M - Caster kit
The WHITELINE caster kit boasts light weight aluminium body and offset high tensile heim joint offering the following advantages for your RALLIART:
More compliant suspension will be induced during braking and
accelerating. This will benefit traction, as the wheel will be able to track the tarmac more precisely. In terms of balance, the front end will have a proportionally lower roll resistence during traction or braking. Aids in reducing the power understeer effect that is present in these vehicles and resulting in a greater handling Mitsubishi. Caster gains resulting in a sharper,
more precise steering feel.


Also

Pedders list a camber pic for the colt.

81250 81250 Camber Pin Kit - 12mm

[Corosith]

The Anti-lift & caster kit are the same thing aren't they?? Good to see a few parts starting to filter through.

[Jemjem]

I've got them been installed on Monday, wanted to do it myself but you were right macca, need a press to get them in............ Been over to see James this arvo and picked up my semi sold engine mount but I wil fit that on Sunday.....

[Jemjem]

Had the anti-lift-caster kit fitted yesterday...... tuc them 2 hours to do........ I must say that I'm very surprised on the difference in the car's feel........ The steering seen's a little heaver and you can feel the road more though the steering wheel, more grip and sharper handling and control into corners .. For the price, 10 out of 10 for me........

[JamesPH]

The Anti-lift & caster kit are the same thing aren't they?? Good to see a few parts starting to filter through.

I did notice these 'spherical bearings' as they're called are actually built offset - pushing the back of the control arm outwards to introduce some more positive caster (that will give you the heavier steering)

[Macca]

I did notice these 'spherical bearings' as they're called are actually built offset - pushing the back of the control arm outwards to introduce some more positive caster (that will give you the heavier steering)

Correct. This is how they make them a little castor can't be bad.

Did they have to press the old one out???

[Jemjem]

Correct. This is how they make them a little castor can't be bad.

Did they have to press the old one out???

Yes they did have to press mine out

[silman]

So is a whiteline rear sway bar mean to be on its way?????????????

[steel]

It should be, but I have not been in a position to follow it up with them since the car has been in the shop for most of the past 2 months. There is hopefully a light at the end of that tunnel this week so I will chase it up when I can.

[steel]

Spoke to the guy just now. They had been held up by a certain component part that they now have, and should be getting the production sample in the next week or two.

[0dd0ne]

Did we get a price for these yet? I cant remember.

[steel]

Chased up and got the guy on the phone - he will chase it up within a day or so. He has just become a father and come back from paternity leave.

[Tedy Fury]

Great news Steel...

[filofaith]

Good work mate

[steel]

Just spoke to Andrew of Whiteline. He has been overseas, Christmas and New Year, blah blah - he will chase it up and "get back to" me.

[Corosith]

God, sounds like MRT with ECUTEK, bottom of the pecking order!

[steel]

Heard back from Whiteline on Friday - they will have the parts in in the next couple of weeks, sounds more like a firm date this time. Looking at mid March.

[odysseyesm]

This is good news - $ yet?

[MartyMcFly]

well done steel... I can't wait!! the whiteline rear swaybar was the best thing I ever done for my scooby so I will definitely be sticking with whiteline for my colt... just hope it is cheaper than the cusco one!!

[Satio]

someone should arrange a group buy with them.....

[Mitsiman]

If this works out RPW would be happy to organise an australia wide group buy. We deal with whiteline a lot so no problems there. We won't even need to ship goods to perth and back again, woudl arrange for them to be shipped from eastern states to customers.

[MartyMcFly]

that would be awesome dave! I'm sure there would be plenty of interest in this little piece of kit...

[Macca]

well here is a guess price

For the new swift that has a similar torsion bar setup like the colt they are RRP for $320
http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_detail.php?part_number=BSR48Z

o0o0o0o Just checking whitelines website they now have Lower crontrol arm front bushes!
http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_detail.php?part_number=W0593

[0dd0ne]

I cant wait to get my hands one one of these sway bars.

[Corosith]

Certainly been an epic wait for these, looking forward to getting my hands on one. The Cusco ones aren't that expensive, just the shipping that kills.

[something]

Heard back from Whiteline on Friday - they will have the parts in in the next couple of weeks, sounds more like a firm date this time. Looking at mid March.

Are we there yet?

[Macca]

His car isnt working well but there was rumor of next friday if its working.

[steel]

Yeah I will try and get up there on the Friday or the Monday after daed works his wizardry.

[steel]

Goodies. Got the Whiteline rear anti-sway bar and also an engine roll stopper - they happened to have parts on hand that suited for it. As the car is being road tuned I have not had much of a chance to test the limits but here are some pics.

I am awaiting exact prices from the shop and will advise as soon as I get the details.

[silman]

Awesome can't wait to get these!

[Tedy Fury]

good stuff Steel..now need the price. Where did they fit this for you?

[something]

Good news - thanks for updating the thread with the news. Cheers

[Corosith]

At long last, are they going to announce these as new listed parts or are they one offs? Keen to hear what you think of them.

[Macca]

awesome as man

shame it wont fit with coilovers

The adjustable spring seat for BC's bolts thru the lower part :(

[skyrex]

Your coils different Macca? Noticed in the pic of steels his perches are at top of spring and in his his are also BC's. Possible to have double ended bolt made to suit? Maybe something Whiteline can offer as option to the kit?

[lovecolt]

That's a great news :) Finally something afters years of waiting.

[Macca]

my perches are bolted to the rear torsion bar.

Maybe they moved it to fit it who know

all i know its better to have it bolted in as then it wouldnt accidentally drop out

[steel]

Here is an update from Whiteline:

Location Description Part # Comments RRP

SWAY BARS, STABILIZER BARS, ANTI-ROLL BARS
Rear Sway bar - 22mm heavy duty BMR91 Non adjustable $ 315.00

ALIGNMENT
Front Anti-lift/caster - control arm lower inner rear W53383 Adds +0.5º - Polyurethane STREET TBA
Front Anti-lift/caster - control arm lower inner rear M/SPORT KCA401M Alloy bushings & spherical bearing - adds +0.5º MOTORSPORT $290.00

POLYURETHANE BUSHINGS & OTHER
Front Control arm - lower inner front W0593 $51.80

Front Engine steady KDT912 TBA

[Ayu452]

anti roll bar is available?
sweet!

[wombat]

Interested in the roll stopper :D

[odysseyesm]

Finally...

[MartyMcFly]

well done steel!!! this is really good news!! next question is... where can i go to part with my hard earned $315 to get my hands on one of these swaybars??

[steel]

You could get them from Whiteline direct as with the volume of stock they have they probably will not pre-emptively ship them to any retailers that I can think of - I would suggest giving them a call on (02) 4340 2355.

[MartyMcFly]

Ok... so i just called whiteline... the swaybar has been designed, tested, manufactured then re-tested and they are super stoked at how well it went, so now they have to send it away to produce more units to stock the shelves basically... the dude at whiteline said it should be a few weeks until they officially launch the product and the best way to follow the launch is on their facebook page here:

http://www.facebook.com/WhitelineFlatout

[steel]

Fair enough. Weird, Andy told me they had about 5 or 6 units in stock. I guess that was a short run.

[Zadok]

Have you noticed any difference driving your car with the rear swaybar steel?

[Corosith]

Ok... so i just called whiteline... the swaybar has been designed, tested, manufactured then re-tested and they are super stoked at how well it went, so now they have to send it away to produce more units to stock the shelves basically... the dude at whiteline said it should be a few weeks until they officially launch the product and the best way to follow the launch is on their facebook page here:

http://www.facebook.com/WhitelineFlatout

I love the nuckle dragger comments on the facebook page re the colt (ie: "WTF, people actually drive those things", & "The only thing that will make a colt better is a crusher" - coming from a guy standing next to a commodore). I see Steel's car pictured up on the hoist!

[odysseyesm]

Ordered today:
Whiteline 22mm Rear Sway Bar:

Code: BMR91. Qty: 1 @ A $ 286.36 each. ITEM SUB: A $ 286.36
Description: Swaybar 22mm-heavy duty


INVOICE: - Odyseyesm
Value Goods:------ A $ 286.36
Shipping Cost:------ A $ 14.50
Sales Tax at 10.00 % :------ A $ 30.09
GRAND TOTAL:---------- A $ 330.95
In stock yesterday at Whiteline, should have mine by the weekend.

[ruimond]

Nice! Might have to get one for myself. Haha.

[ruimond]

Seems the whiteline website was updated just recently. Now lists the BMR91, so i think people can order direct from the site now.

http://www.whiteline.com.au/do_segue.php?make=Mitsubishi&model=Colt&vehicle=7TH+GEN+INCL+RALLIART+%26+CABRIOLET+2002-ON