Adaptronic in western australia

[daedalusjc]

hey adaptronic guys just a quick query. Would you guys be willing to offer the information and basic schematics for someone in perth to become an installer? It seems like the reflash is going nowhere and i'd like to take your product on to be sold private over here. I'd love to privately install the setup to offer a great product at a cheap price and stop alot of thieving companies ripping people off. I've worked alot with the rcolt and automotive electronics and mechanics and the only limitation i could see would be the need to outsource to a dyno tuning facility. Any comments of suggestions would be appreciated as there's a growing number of us waiting for an ecu solution as the reflash has either failed or hit stalemate.

Yours sincerely,
Daedalusjc

[fauxpas]

If you don't get a reply soon just ring Andy 02 9899 9594

[filofaith]

i hope they contact u soon, id have one in my car if i didnt move house... really want to see the potential of a tuned modded Rcolt... 131kws is good power but i know we can get more !!!

[Jemjem]

Hi mate,

Put me at the top of the list...

[daedalusjc]

Cool fauxpas cheers for that. Will ring soon. It'd be awesome to start installing this setup. Power for the perth boys

[bor3dboi]

AMEN to that DAED!!!!!

[daedalusjc]

emailed them too and awaiting reply so probably tomorrow i will find out. Just out of interest how many perth boys would be up for this? I'm gonna get one for my car so i guess that will be the test platform for people to play with. Just seems like a better setup than some of the others around and alot cheaper too compared to haltech setup and others.

[daedalusjc]

ball park figure would be about 1400 installed with dyno tuning extra. Could get it lower but i'd be working for peanuts. That's with everything including base map

[Jemjem]

Hi Dead,
Put me down for 1 as well mate, as soon as you want to do it!
Jem

[bunnybash]

don't do it for peanuts man... this is something that is worth a lot more, so don't feel bad about charging what it's worth, it's still better than waiting for the ECU crack from Hamish which i gotta be honest i think is not ever gonna come... reckon we are being taken for a ride there...

[Ayu452]

+1
i been keen on the base map...and see if it can self learn like it says...
but if i gonna do it right might as well dyno tune it...
and get the receipt for the 220hp it will be makin :D

[filofaith]

+1
i been keen on the base map...and see if it can self learn like it says...
but if i gonna do it right might as well dyno tune it...
and get the receipt for the 220hp it will be makin :D

get a XR6 intercooler on before hand so you only dyno once... looking at the WA mod list you guys will have the quickest colts by a far with this tuning !!

[alba]

+1
keen as fuck

[fauxpas]

Just remember retail is $990 for the e420c, $88 for a 3bar MAP sensor, $99 2m Loom... There's also an OBDII Pro involved for fault codes and is about $99 too...

You may opt to run without the OBDII Pro and check codes manually daily...

That's over $1250 with the OBDII Pro...

[daedalusjc]

wow such a good response. Lol yeah no comment from me bunny on reflash. I'm sure there 'trying'. Alright well if i can sell a kidney and hopefully my rims i'm getting one asap. Jemjem i'd love to do an install on your car cause it's not too heavily modified intake side. Well i will order one for my car and install it but i wont document it like i normally do. Would hate to see another company ripoff our hard work. All about being well priced.. Gonna go see some blokes who helped tune my turbo 20v 4age as they do great dyno work at good price. I'm stoked hey. Alot of us perth boys have alot of mods waiting to be unleashed. Fingers crossed and money permitting i should be complete in 3 weeks with a test car for you guys to borrow and play with. This is gonna tie in something chronic with the jaycar boost controller as the adaptronic has 2 maps aswell. Imagine having maximum economy low boost then with flick of a switch high boost and aggresive fuel ignition maps. Joy!.

Lol i dunno about your car ayu. It's the only car i've battled that keeps up with me stock although bunny's cars lethal these days. With our current mod list alot of us are already talking 150kw and higher. Alright i'm all excited now. Stay tuned guys and we will plan a meet.

[daedalusjc]

yeah cheers for that fauxpas. I've discussed most of that with them. See why i said i'd be working for peanuts. Worth it to see some big dirty grins on peoples faces though

[fauxpas]

Don't prostitute your skills dood... I'm sure if Adaptronic were on the west coast there'd be stacks who'd have paid what I did...

[Ayu452]

filofaith
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayu452 View Post
+1
i been keen on the base map...and see if it can self learn like it says...
but if i gonna do it right might as well dyno tune it...
and get the receipt for the 220hp it will be makin
get a XR6 intercooler on before hand so you only dyno once... looking at the WA mod list you guys will have the quickest colts by a far with this tuning !!

the xr6 cooler goes in on sunday ^_^ ... hopefully...my mates friends wit an exhaust shop owner...gettin the pipes..n gonna pull out the tig this w/e
n the forge pipes are on there way to...thanks to andrew...intake side should be complete...just missin the YR adv intake box...to much $$ for now

@daed...gluck wit the tinkerin ^_^ ... can't wait to see how the fmic will feel this weekend

[Jemjem]

Hi Mate,

Yer very keen on this to happen as I liked the way you worked on my colt on Sunday.... But as Fauxpas and bunnybash have said.... if all goes to plan and the result is good dont sell your self cheep.... if the cost is higher than $1400 so be it.....

Jem

[bunnybash]

perth people if we pay Daed any less thant $1500 each for this install then we should either have a reason like an alien robbed us on the way to the install or we just need a punch in the face... this will be worth WAY more than $1500 as it stands... Especially cause it is the ONLY option under $2000

[daedalusjc]

haha cheers for your support guys. Even with the boost controllers i sell them at cost price and just say to people pay any extra for what you think my times worth. Might even have to hit up a loan to get this rolling even quicker. I offered adaptronic my kidney in exchange but apparently body parts aren't a registered australian currency

[Corosith]

Great to see such enthusiasm, that's for sure! I hope it all comes to fruition and everyone benefits from your venture in some shape or form (including yourself of course), looking forward to further developments and amazing power figures!!:)

[bunnybash]

would totally buy your rims to get this going, but got a veto on any spending at the moment... shizer!!!!

[daedalusjc]

alright so the wheels are all in motion. 2 options i'm going to work with down the track is utilizing drive by wire and also removal of drive by wire to run manual throttle body but that's experimental. Well adaptronic are awfully helpful and it's all tee'd up and ready to go so we will be seeing some results soon for a very very good price. Hopefullye we can undercut the local competition for pricing and general usability as an rcolt community rather than greedy profit based company. Watch this space lads

[Darthrev]

'Vote Daed for rcolt.com president' :)

good luck mate

[fauxpas]

On ya Daed... I was feeling like a leper there for a while...

[bunnybash]

Unclean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[0dd0ne]

Hey daed i got a better idea. pack your shit up and move to sydney. need more people over here that are willing to work on stuff.

tie bunny to the roof of your car and bring him along too

[daedalusjc]

haha if all goes well i'm long overdue for a decent trip as middle of the year adelaide and melbourne were my 2 destinations. That'd be the best holiday. Cruising around australia doing a bit of colt work here and there haha.

[daedalusjc]

haha if all goes well i'm long overdue for a decent trip as middle of the year adelaide and melbourne were my 2 destinations. That'd be the best holiday. Cruising around australia doing a bit of colt work here and there haha.

[Chipokae]

You're dead set asset to this community daed. Well done mate.

[underdog]

Gday daed, please add Sydney to your itinery, youll like it [ as well as make a bit of money on the side:D ]

[daedalusjc]

just an update. After a bit of prostitution, selling things and other notorious activities pulled together the money needed. Can't wait to get this bad boy in my grubby little hands. 300 ponies here we come

[Darthrev]

Can't wait to see an RColt in the 13 seconds bracket for the qtr mile!

[Jemjem]

I second that!!!! very cool........

[Jemjem]

Hey Daed, Have u done anything about the 2 gauges I need for pod? I've been looking on net with no joy....

[daedalusjc]

i reckon some of us would be close to 13's with diff, wide tires, turbo and adaptronic. Shotgun being first to break it lol. Hey jem funny you say that. Was at autoone getting parts for the coon saloon and spotted them in the display cabinet. Egt and afr start at 170 up to 220. Want me to grab some photo's?

[Jemjem]

Yer mate go for it! but you have seen my boost gauge as u fitted it lol.......what you esp on them......??

[daedalusjc]

:) :) :)

It's on its way! Geez there a good company to deal with. Depending on Shipping we should plan a cruise for next weekend or weekend after. Anyone who's interested in getting one fitted just pm me if you want to cruise around while im fitting mine.

[bunnybash]

When is fitting day?!?!

Also matt what you up to this weekend?!? I got something to show you. get your opinion on!!

[daedalusjc]

hey bunny he's sending it out monday so looking at next week. Yeah i think i'm free this weekend but i will pm ya. Got somethin for ya aswell to beef butterscotch up. will be in touch man

[Jemjem]

If its next weekend count me in........ get car back next Friday...... need to know when??........ and my gauges please mate.........

[Darthrev]

Also matt what you up to this weekend?!? I got something to show you. get your opinion on!!

They have creams for that sort of stuff these days mate ;)

[odysseyesm]

You guys are nuts...

I love it!

What's the go - Adaptronic or the RPW piggyback thing?
I think we really need to start a post that looks at what the best mods for the Colt are.... Thoughts?

[fauxpas]

If the RPW one works, then that one and the adaptronic will be the only ecu options for the colt...

Speaking for the adaptronic I also got the vidigauge system that shows up to 7 gauges on your LCD screen via RCA or S-Video... I love it as I'm not one for pods sprouting on the dash or a-pillar...

Not sure about the two systems and what each can or can't tune... Not sure what software is used for the RPW one... The WARI software for the adaptronic is easy to use...

[daedalusjc]

it will work. got to wait another 2 days for cheque to clear fuuuuuuck. faux i think i'm gonna order a vidigauge too. looks so sexual

[odysseyesm]

I wanna get GTR stylie gauges too, not up for the pod set-up - looks like it might be the adaptronic and vidiguage then.

Apparently there's a tuning house in Adelaide that has done some work cracking or piggybacking the RColt.
I asked Mark at Exhaust Technology about who's doing what and he suggested a few people around town.
I'll ring these guys and see what they have to say.

[daedalusjc]

paid for and on it's way. Dammit the wait is going to kill me. Now i know how a crackhead feels waiting for the next high. It's excruciating

[filofaith]

awaiting feedback :) i hope it fits without issues

[ELEGNT]

sorry for the reTARD but im lost...:confused:

what have you brought/ is getting installed daed?

1st we are talking about adaptronic, then manual throttle bodies then Adaptronic again then RPW....lost me

[daedalusjc]

adaptronic ecu man. First of many in wa. I'm going to be fitting them

[ELEGNT]

rodger that, what a champ! the wait till next week will equal in sleepless nights of exitement

best of luck fitting it

[Frogman]

who gonna tune it for you?

[fauxpas]

I've tried this and it works! Good for a base tune till ya get to a tuning shop...

You could get a wideband oxy-sensor and a mate, or trudge through logs...

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[daedalusjc]

i will tune mine but other cars maybe another company i've contacted. Hey faux yeah i've already got a wideband for tuning the turbo prado which is lucky. It's not hard to do just time consuming

[daedalusjc]

ITS HERE ITS HERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nearly kissed the mailman with joy

[bunnybash]

hell yeah man... when you planning on doin it?? I got Friday off!!!! :)

[AdapTronic]

Hi all,

Nick from Adaptronic here. I just thought I'd make clear the amount of labour that goes into this install. I have done this install twice now, and have found that it takes a significant amount of time to run the loom, get decent physical access to the factory ECU (battery comes out etc.), open up the factory loom and do all the soldering, install the OBD-II interface and so on then tidy up all the wiring and reassemble everything.

What I'm saying is that this install takes more than a full day of labour. Most workshops and auto-elecs charge about $110p/h. Our labour rate at Adaptronic is very reasonable, only $88p/h.

Still, some of the dollar figures mentioned in this thread seem way off to us, especially when you consider that there's over $1200 worth of hardware going in. If the whole job can be done for $1400 we'd love to know the secret!

Hope this helps give you all a realistic expectation.

Cheers,
-Nick

[fauxpas]

Still, some of the dollar figures mentioned in this thread seem way off to us, especially when you consider that there's over $1200 worth of hardware going in. If the whole job can be done for $1400 we'd love to know the secret!

daedalusjc helps lots of rcolt owners near him and he'd be doing this install for others for very little cash... But after he does his own he may reassess how much to charge...

[filofaith]

i had a talk with some boys last nyt and if his install goes well and hes confident behind the ECU, then HOLIDAY TIME FOR HIM IN BRISBANE free plane ticket and what not....

regarding install i had a fully exposed ecu no batter or piping near it meaning installation would be quicker???

[daedalusjc]

ok ok so finally some feedback. yeah 1400 may have been a bit too low. especially after the time it takes. the wiring is actually quite easy but getting it tidy and looking stock is very very time consuming. at the moment i'd peg it down to about 1800 which is really really cheap. So it starts and runs happily with a few teething issues mainly fouled plugs but that was my bad. with the base map it pretty much starts and runs like a normal colt. still cant wait to get rid of the pos drive by wire. gonna take some pics later and when you guys are free pm or txt me and we can go for a cruise or test drive. install got massively delayed yesterday by some of the worst perth weather i've ever seen!!!! lol and bunny rode his scooter home in it! As for all you eastern stater boys don't worry your on the map for sure. not long before i go for a really really long interstate cruise. I've got to say though, Kudos to Adaptronic. Really good parts and there so helpful and quick to reply. Congrats guys on a great product. Now to finish tidying up and go for the first drive. Start time 11am yesterday and finish 12pm today. whole install could easily be down to 5 - 6 hours now i've done it in practice

[ELEGNT]

good work mate! so do you plan to take it to get a full tune not just a base map?

look forward to seeing you over on the sunny side of oz:)

[daedalusjc]

yeah gotta get a wideband and will take it to a dyno. it's a shame dave didn't want to do it but bunny reckons there's a guy in york whos a pro on the dyno so gotta suss him out. that was the best drive. i love it hey

[ELEGNT]

sweet as

best drive hey, how did it go?

[fauxpas]

Good stuff my adaptronic brother...

Regarding the wideband, I seen heaps on ebay but get put off for 2 reasons...

1. Connection plug... Will it fit?

2. Is it one supported by the WARI software...

There are bosch ones listed (UEGO etc) on ebay, cheap as chips... But dunno which is a direct swapout and compatible with the WARI...

If you find one at a reasonable price and is a swapout and compatible with WARI can you link me up?

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e293/faux1337/oxy1.jpg

[fauxpas]

OK, spoke with Rob and because we have the OBD Pro hooked up to one serial port and I have the vidigauge going through the other, I'll have to go through a spare analog input... He reckons its one wire...

He also said I'd need to get one listed in WARI so they'll match their tables or calcs...

Not sure if you need to pick off the list if you go through the serial port...

[AdapTronic]

Hey daed,

Well done on the install!

For those who don't know about the serial ports:
One serial port is for connecting either a laptop or a vidigauge
The other serial port is for connecting a wideband O2 sensor or an OBD-Pro.

(The OBD-Pro is needed with the Colt to clear 'pending' error codes once per ECU startup before they become actual error codes and bring on the check engine light.)

So regardless of whether you have a vidigauge, you can't connect a wideband O2 sensor via serial port unless you unplug the OBD-Pro.

For dyno tuning that doesn't matter. Just turn on the car with the OBD-Pro plugged in. Then after a few seconds plug in the wideband O2 sensor instead.
Then change 'second serial port' setting in WARI to select your wideband sensor. Then do your dyno tuning. Then change the setting back when you're finished.

But if you want to run a wideband O2 sensor all the time, it would need to be connected via analog input instead of serial. Choose your oxygen sensor from the list shown in fauxpas' post.

Cheers,
-Nick

[daedalusjc]

faux - i'm working on a very simple PIC microcontroller circuit to connect to OBDPRO to clear trouble codes without being connected to adaptronic. not far off.

In other news....

i've been in hiding the last few weeks but back again. got 2 boost controllers going out monday, the ECU reflash is about a week off completion and preliminary testing, the turbo prado using a commodore ecu is underway, sourcing a new turbo and getting manifold welded is underway and ontop of that trying to hunt down a wideband in perth. I'm really really really tired BUT the quest goes on. I feel like i know the rcolt's electronics back to front these days.

SO...

on with the adaptronic......to put it simply...its f*&king amazing. like seriously exceeded all of my previous expectations. i cant believe how well it runs. idle's so smooth. power delivery is linear and way more punchier up top and i havent even been on a dyno yet. its the shiznit. been playing around with a few of its different functions here and there. Here's a quick list of stuff i've done so far..

-Fully wired ecu up pretty much at home
-total install sub $1400 bucks
-estimated time 5 - 7 hours
-autotune function is bloody amazing. incredibly fast and accurate. a wideband is the next step. basically set afr's and ecu does the rest
-adaptive ignition works a treat with knock sensor and intergrating with fuel maps
-adjustable mivec control-still havent played much with it
-adaptronic boost control is awesome. both closed loop and open. closed loop you simply set what psi you want and it gets there every time
-NO CEL'S!!!! w00t!
-Flat shifting is absolutely awesome. for those who dont know inbetween gear changes you keep throttle at full and once clutch goes in it cuts the ignition so you can get into next gear already holding 0.4 bar
-LAUNCH CONTROL IS JOOOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYY. serious goodness. i've got a toggle switch mounted that you flick to enable it. basically from a standing start you flick the switch, put it into gear with clutch in, dump the throttle and the car revs to 4000 and 0.5 psi boost, dump the clutch and hold on. it's like being on boost before even moving. it's damn quick off the line. think of it as kind of antilag.
-power cut if anything is out of order. example is too high of an overboost and she will keep it under control
-target afr's....type in 14.5 or 14.7 afr's for cruising and within 20 - 25 minutes of varied driving the low load maps are self tuned for peak efficiency. i have barely even touched the fuel maps. just let it do its own thing.


honestly i sound crazy but the colts bloody quick now. off the line it's amazing. next step is to plug in the vehicle speed sensors and try out adaptronics traction control. you can even adjust the traction control via a knob on the dash somewhere to set how aggressive it is. then after that probably fiddle with the electronic bov settings. it can be set up to run a normal bov but have the vacuum line pulsed via a solenoid so you can have no bov, flutter and normal bov. thats a tomorrow task. well actually in 6 - 8 hours. in the long run im saying goodbye to drive by wire and going back to throttle cable setup using the adaptronic to run an Idle air control valve for idle control. i will take some photos and videos of various bits and pieces but i reckon we should have a perth cruise or something or if ya want just cruise over one day and you can have the keys for a few hours.

[fauxpas]

Wow, good to hear... My lack of electronic prowess stops me playing with those extra things...

Indeed the e420c gets good raps from anyone comparing it to other ecus...

As for the VE tune over the original tune. I still get a little crinkle of detonation when fully punching it in 3rd and 4th on the standard tune... The VE is heaps faster and accelerates like mad, but boy does she suck the gas...

So I use the standard tune for daily driving and swap to the VE when its time to have fun...

btw, I only had the standard tune on the car when my mate with the GTO said he couldn't keep up with me on acceleration... :eek:

[alba]

Matt, you need to get it on the dyno

[daedalusjc]

next week in york going on dyno. here's a quick vid of launch and flat shifting

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[bunnybash]

that road is scary as hell to drive lol

[fauxpas]

Nice... Spose you're wishin ya got ya hands on the adaptronic earlier...

[ELEGNT]

i like the antilag

[filofaith]

ok im pretty satisfied with the lil video showing its capabilities, just show me ur dyno figures !! it does look like ur going through gears pretty quick !!:D

[daedalusjc]

Hey faux im picking up a bosch lsu 4.2 wideband tomorrow. 290 bucks but easy install and saves the serial port. Will let ya know on install

[fauxpas]

Hey faux im picking up a bosch lsu 4.2 wideband tomorrow. 290 bucks but easy install and saves the serial port. Will let ya know on install

Cheers friend... Any sensor a little cheaper than that but wires up the same?

[daedalusjc]

umm not too sure. This one doesn't use the serial port. Basically splice it in like rob said. When you think about it though its quite cheap for the power it brings. Logging on nearly every afr. I know innovate sell one too. I didnt want to get one shipped so local pickup was quickest for me. Hey have you set up any of the launch control stuff and speed sensors yet? Got some info if ya want. Also youve played with ve tuning a bit too hey? Wanna email me your map or details on how you did it to get good results.

[daedalusjc]

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5486&CATID=25&form=CAT&SUBCATID=347

Thats the controller. has 2 outputs. 1 output is 0 - 1volt to send signal to stock ecu and other signal 0 - 5v for adaptronic. controller does it all. niiiice

[fauxpas]

There's a zillion Bosch wideband sensors on ebay under a hungie...

[daedalusjc]

installed bosch lsu 4.2 oxy sensor and jaycar wideband controller. works a fkn treat faux with VE tuning. its essential i reckon. on full boost which is only 15 psi atm im safely pulling 12.2 - 13.0 afr and on cruise hitting 14.5 - 14.8 afr with 14.7 being most common. fark me VE tuning goes ridiculously hard with autotune running. also setting up boost by gear so 1st gear 0.8 bar, 2nd 1 bar then 3rd 4th 5th all 1.1 bar due to the tps being closed more in 1st and 2nd. gotta ditch that drive by wire. i lol'd so hard after converting to ve tuning and planting it in 3rd. never seen the colt haul so much ass. time for bigger injectors and turbo me thinks. and possibly new exhaust that will handle antilag

[fauxpas]

I just can't wait to get an exhaust...

[underdog]

Gday faux, what r u waitin for, go for it !!!!!

[odysseyesm]

installed bosch lsu 4.2 oxy sensor and jaycar wideband controller. works a fkn treat faux with VE tuning. its essential i reckon. on full boost which is only 15 psi atm im safely pulling 12.2 - 13.0 afr and on cruise hitting 14.5 - 14.8 afr with 14.7 being most common. fark me VE tuning goes ridiculously hard with autotune running. also setting up boost by gear so 1st gear 0.8 bar, 2nd 1 bar then 3rd 4th 5th all 1.1 bar due to the tps being closed more in 1st and 2nd. gotta ditch that drive by wire. i lol'd so hard after converting to ve tuning and planting it in 3rd. never seen the colt haul so much ass. time for bigger injectors and turbo me thinks. and possibly new exhaust that will handle antilag

This sounds very promising :D
Injectors and Turbo - 200Kw here we come!

Does getting rid of the drive by wire affect the stability control etc?

[daedalusjc]

lol the only time i've ever enjoyed stability control is down a gravel road. Losing it would be no big issue as adaptronic has traction control built in. I fkn hate asc which is why it stays off all the time with the gleaming yellow light shitting me. Might hunt down a throttle body early next week and a pedal box. How ironic. Going back in technology to gain better results. I mean im sure drive by wire must be good for something but imho all it leads too is boggy, indirect saggy feeling throttle thats not completely relative to my pedal position. Plus then i can permanently pull the ecu out and complete my work on the reflash although i dunno why youd waste your time with a reflash. Adaptronic pwns all

[Ayu452]

daed did u remove stock o2...or u welded in a new bung and mounted it permanently in the down pipe
ps. congrats on the self rnd...
guess i might savin up for this...looks like a possible install
were the instruction/wiring maps provided by adaptronic enough

[daedalusjc]

remove stock o2 and use narrowband output to drive ecu and 0 - 5v wideband to adaptronic. good luck trying to install it yourself. im quite good with electronics and i stuttered a bit on a few bits and pieces. you'd wanna have a really REALLY good understanding of auto electronics before going ahead otherwise you may aswell kiss your colt goodbye. as stated i can install and have your car back to you in 1.5 - 2 days

[Ayu452]

yeh daed i prob let u do the fine details...maybe i can just lend a hand if i dont get in your way to tidy up the cables etc...save u some labor time...dont worry
it not to save$$...just thought it may make your life easier....
i just looked over the schematics...and thought best to leave it to someone wit first hand exp with our car...
i happy to pay a fee...and for your experience...
even though i want it now...i think i should wait for a few more pay cheque to come in haha...
but it is makin me wet thinkin about a stable afr and more power

[daedalusjc]

yeah dont get me wrong man none of this is about money. i'd just really really hate to see someone kill there colt hey. if your keen im more than happy for you to install it with me cause then we can go through all the options such as wideband, launch control, boost by gear etc etc so we dont need to pull the harness apart later on. my install was hell neat but then once i started installing extras i had to open the loom back up and it all became a bit messy. whenever your ready just give me the go ahead and i will order the ecu and everything needed. shoot me a pm to sort out prices and what not.

[Ayu452]

sounds the goods...
cheers man
i reckon u do a better job than a random shop i would pop into haha
just like how i dunt wanna service at mitsubishi...especially when i ask for full synth oil and they just look at me dumb faced
but i happy to pay the price...we can talk more when i get anxious..

[fauxpas]

OBDPro Theory...

OK, here goes... A while back I swapped out the OBDPro in favour of a handheld device just to check what codes may have been coming up and would normally be erased automatically... I would then erase them manually...

What eventually happened was I was slow erasing and the car ran rough off idle... So I plugged the OBDPro back in and cycled the ignition so it could erase all the accumulating codes and it was all good again...

Then, I go on hols and didn't drive for a couple of days and it happens again... Rough transient throttle off idle... Cycle the ignition a few times and she's aces...

Now, same thing after I didn't drive for a couple of days... Jump in the car, its hard to start, idles high and nearly cuts out when I blip the throttle... So I cycle the ignition a few times and she's aces again...

My theory is the OBDPro must continually erase those accumulating codes - Left for too long the cycles have to be restarted...

[daedalusjc]

obdpro only erases once at startup. Its in the wari software. You can set it to continually erase but they have it set to erase once.

[fauxpas]

obdpro only erases once at startup. Its in the wari software. You can set it to continually erase but they have it set to erase once.

Where exactly?

And even if it did erase continuously, why would not running the car for a couple of days effect it?

[Ayu452]

just curious wat cels it would erase...is it all CELs
or just some...
wouldn't it be a bit scary if it was a critical CEL
e.g.dead injector, mis fire, knock sensor?

[filofaith]

weird more info...

[daedalusjc]

there would be no critical cels from stock ecu. Everythings controlled by adaptronic. Faux thats weird why your car did that. All it does is clear non essential cels like no boost solenoid etc etc. For us adaptronicers cels dont exist. There just the stock ecu which controls only drive by wire complaining that it doesnt have control anymore. Check in the wari screen faux under special functions

[fauxpas]

I don't get cels...

Just the idle control goes out the window... Have to cycle the ignition to get it back to normal...

Has happened 3 times...

1. When I was on hols and didn't drive for a few days...

2. When I unplugged OBDPro and ran a hand controller...

3. Again, when I didn't run the car for a couple of days...

It doesn't worry much and my theory is the accumulative codes that build up that get erased by the OBDPro, for some reason, don't get erased if the ignition isn't cycled regular...

[daedalusjc]

thats pretty random. cant say i've had any issues. faux did you get onto that wideband yet? seriously wideband + ve tuning = clutch destruction. cant believe its all on 16 psi aswell. anyway im trying to hunt down the wheel speed sensor wiring diagrams. cant find them anywhere. any clues

[Macca]

thats pretty random. cant say i've had any issues. faux did you get onto that wideband yet? seriously wideband + ve tuning = clutch destruction. cant believe its all on 16 psi aswell. anyway im trying to hunt down the wheel speed sensor wiring diagrams. cant find them anywhere. any clues

I got hem tell me what you need and I'll get it.

[daedalusjc]

ahh macca your a legend. Im chasing the colour code of either one of the rear wheel speed sensors. Patching into the loom that runs down the drivers side of the car

[alba]

daed, you should be working for a tuning mob or a raceteam, honestly.

[Macca]

Gee man you didnt search very well I had acctully already posted the diagram in the forums already, pic was sitting in my Photobucket

Ok you should be able to read them but if not.

You can see the dashed line on the rear wheel sensors, that means there is a connector there "B41"

Also the number next to the wire in that connector means the pin number in the connector.

<T> means its a twisted wire.

The arrow besides the wite denotes current flow

The triangls in the ECU say if its in input or output

BASECOLOUR - TRACE COLOUR

You can see in the 2nd pic where B41 is in the car passenger kick panel area.

And in the 3nd pic you can see connector "B41" and where the pins are in it and the colour codes (this wasnt on the forums but will help you a ton)

All that should satisfy your needs ;) if not ask for more ;)

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u236/Macca_gong/Sensorwires.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u236/Macca_gong/Snapshot2009-09-2715-30-25.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u236/Macca_gong/conx.jpg

[daedalusjc]

ahh jooooy. they were the diags i was looking for. i dont have the full ralliart manual at my misses house but i know i'd seen it before. cheers macca your a legend

[Macca]

I have also been looking in to speed sensor shit ont he car found this for ya mate

OPERATION
The wheel speed sensor is a pulse generator. It con-
sists of encoder (a plate on which north and south
pole sides of the magnets are arranged alternately)
for detecting wheel speed which rotates at the same
speed as the road wheels. This sensor sends fre-
quency pulse signals in proportion to wheel speed.
The pulse signals, which the wheel speed sensor
creates, are sent to the ABS-ECU. The ABS-ECU
uses the frequency of the pulse signals to determine
the wheel speed.

DIAGNOSIS CODE SET CONDITIONS
The ABS-ECU monitors the voltage change in each
of the wheel speed sensor circuits. If the ECU
detects an open or short circuit in any of the circuits,
the ECU sets the diagnosis code.