turbo manifold

[koshy]

so what ya reckon? came across another one

[Nic85]

so what ya reckon? came across another one

Flow numbers, dyno charts?

Or is it cause it's shiny? :rolleyes:

[ELEGNT]

i just got a little bit chubby in the pant region

[koshy]

nah no dyno sheets with these they were for sale thats all lol dont often see many manifolds

[underdog]

gday koshy, where were they for sale? and do they work? cheers from chris:)

[koshy]

all i know is its 2nd hand and comes off a colt lol and due to it being a non vendor site i cant post it. :D

[aby82]

is this the same one here http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Stainless-Exhaust-Manifold-COLT-Ralliart-Turbo-header_W0QQitemZ120490329487QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item1c0dc8858f :p

did u end up gettin one koshy? i wonder if they're the real deal... someone get one :D

[koshy]

nope didnt get it, lets just get sean to get it first :D

[bunnybash]

not sure why, but that manifold makes me very very excited... looks way better than the one from mitsubishi anyways!!

[alba]

not sure why, but that manifold makes me very very excited... looks way better than the one from mitsubishi anyways!!

haha youve got the bug hard after daed has been fettling the butterscotch

[daedalusjc]

lol fettling! Prime use of that word. If it's still there i'm gonna bid or try and find another

[daedalusjc]

yeah pretty cheap for 300 bucks. Before i hit buy it now has anyone else on the site got one?

[pAuL]

not if i do first :p

[0dd0ne]

Wont that just crack within a few weeks? Stainless steel and all...

[daedalusjc]

well i used to be an exhaust fitter and i don't remember any of our stainless exhaust systems or extractors cracking. There using a 1.5mm wall thickness which is pretty decent. I guess it all depends. Plus would be very easy to get a flange for an external wastegate welded on. Paul they've got 500 in stock haha. I'm sure we will get one. And for 300 odd bucks if it cracks who cares. Worth it for looks compared to rpw unit no offense of course

[0dd0ne]

Anyone know what inlet and outlet diameter is on the stock manifold?

[ELEGNT]

Anyone know what inlet and outlet diameter is on the stock manifold?

outlet 1.75", inlet not sure

[ROB784]

I'm guessing these are like the ones I had on my past two 180's, (both SR and CA), I ended up going back to the stock manifold and achieved better results. These type of manifolds only give u gains if ur really looking for high power, then when ur looking for high power the cheapness starts to show and u'll end up forking out for a good quality one.

As for cracking, never had any issues, they only really start to crack if u wrap them.

But yeah, in the end not really worth it, looks cool, sounds cool but that's about it unless ur chasing big hp. Maybe it's just me, when I mod my car I look for functional things not aesthetics.

[filofaith]

nope didnt get it, lets just get sean to get it first :D

haha i dont have budget at the moment to get a manifold, feel free to be first :p


I'm guessing these are like the ones I had on my past two 180's, (both SR and CA), I ended up going back to the stock manifold and achieved better results. These type of manifolds only give u gains if ur really looking for high power, then when ur looking for high power the cheapness starts to show and u'll end up forking out for a good quality one.

As for cracking, never had any issues, they only really start to crack if u wrap them.

But yeah, in the end not really worth it, looks cool, sounds cool but that's about it unless ur chasing big hp. Maybe it's just me, when I mod my car I look for functional things not aesthetics.

well i know the standard manifold is very restricting so i would say it will give a bit more power, but as to how much is anyones guess

[daedalusjc]

both right and wrong. Stock manifold's a piece of shit. Terrible everything but being so small and compact has excellent heat retention and as we all know it's heat that makes our turbo spin. Ebay deluxe chinese manifold would lose a bit of heat due to size but would be gained on a half semi decent set of primary's into single collector. Eg at least they've attempted to make a better flow. As for cracking might be a bit over rated. Not that much load on manifold and if it needs a brace or 2 it's an easy job. Payday thursday so ordering one and an external gate. Screamer pipe anyone haha

[Macca]

HPC it before you throw it in, and it will hold more heat, and keep more heat from the engine bay too

best to do that IMO

[ELEGNT]

Payday thursday so ordering one and an external gate. Screamer pipe anyone haha

hahahaha YESSSS finally somones doing it :) ive been looking at it on ebay twiddling thumbs over it for ages wonndering about CELs. Good work being 1st! i <3 Gate!!!!

[Mitsiman]

Just a warning guys these are a very cheap manifold and being stainless steel, they will have a cracking issue. High quality stainless steel manifolds made from thick flanges and strong welds go for a lot higher pricing than that.

We see this a lot especially with EVO owners coming to our shop with continual cracking chinese manifolds, and even after re welding them they still continue to break. Stainless steel expands and contracts a lot more than steel.

This is one reason why we didn't consider stainless steel manifolds as option when we make ours because we don't want the warranty claims that will come with them.

[bpt4w]

As there is intrest in this i went into my local manufacturer of stainless products and inquired how much it would cost to make a few of these and he stated that $650 should be about right but he would need intrest in it before he would go that low , so if you could help a fellow rcolter and give them a call , stainless customs 07 47552888
and i will whip the car down and get one made up and yes i have seen there work on a few race cars up here , all very good.
unfortunately i will have to send the item to brisbane to get the ceramic coating though.

oh p.s this will be a equal length manifold

[daedalusjc]

macca getting them heat treated keeps the heat in which stainless isn't a fan off. Look up people who've used header exhaust wrap on stainless manifolds. More cracks than ever.

Mitsi for 300 bucks i'm not really phased. If more bracing or movement is required it's not a big issue plus already have flex pipe in exhaust.

Bpt in regards to custom it's a good idea. Some people may prefer a stainless look. As for tuned length remember that at the end of the day the exhaust wheel just chops those waves up anyway. Not such a huge deal on turbo's. Be better of with 1 and 4 grouped and 2 and 3 grouped

[ELEGNT]

As there is intrest in this i went into my local manufacturer of stainless products and inquired how much it would cost to make a few of these and he stated that $650 should be about right but he would need intrest in it before he would go that low , so if you could help a fellow rcolter and give them a call , stainless customs 07 47552888
and i will whip the car down and get one made up and yes i have seen there work on a few race cars up here , all very good.
unfortunately i will have to send the item to brisbane to get the ceramic coating though.

oh p.s this will be a equal length manifold

dude id be keen for this but ill wait till daedalusjc gets his ebay one (if he is actually going to get it?) and if it has some improvement ill buy in with you seeing im in bris, im sure sean will be in too from bris if there is performance increase. i will not be getting stainless tho ill get mild and heat wrap it, im sure he could do it for alot less using mild.

so let daedalusjc get his and if all good we will do it mate

[daedalusjc]

yeah man in exactly 24 hours i would have been paid and ordered it. I hate having to wait for shit though but this may be worth it. Sucks that i will have to fit it then pull it back of to get flange for wastegate made but oh well. Nothing will be as hilarious as going thru farmer freeway with screamer pipe. Although i'm planning having internal wastegate plumbed into low boost setting on controller then when i flick to high boost setting opens a bypass valve to supply positive pressure to external wastegate. Seems a bit crazy.

[bunnybash]

lol daed... pretty sure that your posts make sense to someone, but they are so far over my head it aint funny!!!!!!!

[bpt4w]

daed... in my post i'm just asking a few guys to call up and get the guy interested in making me a sample so i can take photo's ect and fit to my car cheap :).
As for the equal length that is for the cylinder air fuel ratio balance, there is two ways to do this equal length or to make it restrictive with backpressure equalising it.

elegnt .... think you are talking about tuned length not equal length.

[filofaith]

im not keen for a stainless steel sorry guys going to go steam pipe manifold with a T2 flange for my garrett

[daedalusjc]

haha just ordered and paid for it. Who knows when it will get here. Hell feeling was a waste of 323 bucks but oh well. Will never know unless someone did it. Looks easy enough to brace up if worst comes to worst. Plus if it's shit might be able to use flange's later on

[Julz]

cool looking forward to hearing about the results. Would be good to do a before and after dyno if possible.

Might be worth while making a heat shield to cover it from rain to minimise chance of cracking.

[bunnybash]

Daedel already made himself up a nice shiny heat shield cover that is waaaaay better than the stock one... so that won't be an issue for him i don't think...

and yeah dyno before and after and also get some figures from your boost too!!

[daedalusjc]

that covers all yours bunny. Will pull it off for tomorrow. I'm gonna need to make a new one anyway. Another part to personalize butterscotch. Hey i'm working 2moro till 2 so will txt ya when i've finished

[Ayu452]

i want my colti back...so many things to do to it @_@

[bunnybash]

that covers all yours bunny. Will pull it off for tomorrow. I'm gonna need to make a new one anyway. Another part to personalize butterscotch. Hey i'm working 2moro till 2 so will txt ya when i've finished

awesome... txt me your address too!

[daedalusjc]

Ok so got the manifold in the mail yesterday. pretty easy job except that the f**ing stud on the turbo threaded and snapped. Took like 4 hours to get it out. just progressive drilling. Apart from that rest was easy. Here's alot of photos and step by step


Fresh out of the box

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Pretty good construction and nice smooth faced flanges, Good welds, internals have been deburred. Came with manifold, head gasket and turbo gasket aswell as 3* 10.1 grade 17mm bolts, 3* spring washers and 3* flat washers.




1st Step

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Heat shields off which is 5* 10mm bolts, disconnect oxy sensor and remove shield. god the stock manifold is ugly...


2nd Step

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Top manifold bolts off. Think there is 7* 12mm nuts and 2* 14mm nuts altogether. I drenched these about 4 times with WD-40 to loosen them up. They are all accesible with a socket set.

3rd

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Manifold to turbo bolts out. 2* 14mm bolts and 1*14mm nut on stud at from. again all accesible with socket set. Seriously drench these in WD-40. You will be left with the stud at the front. Unfortunately you cant pull the stock manifold off yet due to the stud. I used 2* 14mm nuts locked together to remove the stud. Easier option would be stud remover but repco wasnt open at 3am.

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This is what happens when the stud is seized in there. I tried gently working it out for ages but eventually got fucked off and chucked a sad and snapped it. This sucked.....and consumed 4 hours.

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Out came the drill and multiple sized drill bits much to missus dismay. Stock bolts must be 8.8 grade cause there an effort to drill out. Remember to put a rag in the turbo inlet so no crap goes in there.


4th Step....and possibly hours later.

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Finally....... I will put some random pics at the end of ports and stock manifold etc. I think mitsubishi made the stockie out of gutter parts or something. Hideous setup. Anyway moving on.

5th Step

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Ahh shiny....and fits too. always handy. Do a quick dry fit. check clearances and if all the bolts on the turbo fit nicely etc etc. Pull the manifold back off, grab the gaskets and smear some high temp gasket goo on them either side. Not too much though.

6th Step

No photos but pretty simple. Put the head to manifold gasket on the studs and then fit the manifold. slip the manifold to turbo gasket in next. Now this is where i mucked up....make sure you fit all of the head to manifold bolts FIRST. There is 3 nuts on the top row in the middle that are a bit tight to get on. put them on first. Put the rest of the manifold nuts on loosely with washers. Next goes in the manifold to turbo bolts. I used the 17mm cause they were there. fit these firm but not dead tight.

7th


Time to tighten that bad boy down. Start in the middle of the manifold progressively working outwards Eg---middle 12mm nuts first and 14mm nuts last. Not ridiculously tight either. Now there all done next are the manifold to turbo bolts. Tighten them however you want. Go back up to head to manifold nuts and nip them all up again once more. Oh and plug the oxy sensor back in while youre there.

Final

Now you should be looking at something like this....

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Except your car will probably not be white...

Clear away all tools. Check and double check nuts and bolts left over and any bits in engine bay. Jump in, foot on clutch and turn the key.... Probably going to see a fair bit of smoke from the manifold as coating, oily fingerprints and excess gasket goo burns off. Let it do this happily from a distance. Smoke stings and smells like ass. Let the car warm up for 8 - 10 mins and during this time get the spanners out again and re-check all the bolts. They've probably come a bit loose now they've warmed up so nip them back up again. This is CRUCIAL. When they are tightened whilst warm they will seat better in the threads. Oh and dont be a dumbass like me and accidentaly touch the manifold. Instant burnage so use a socket extension and keep a good distance.


Final thoughts and conclusion-

For $323 delivered it's pretty damn cheap and looks quite good. The bracing was much better than i'd expected aswell as welds and flanges. Now for the important bit... How did it perform...

Well boost comes on alot faster now. You can hear spool up way quicker through pod. Felt alot smoother flow transition aswell betweeb shifts. Bit louder exhaust note but what i was impressed with was the off boost performance. Engine's so much smoother while grandma driving around. Torque's alot pokier fo sho and comes on faster as to be expected. All in all well worth the time and money. If your lucky enough to not snap a stud then it's a relatively simple job. Take your time and cruise through it cause if you rush it's probably going to cause more issues. I cant stress enough though....You must check and re-check all the nuts and bolts cold and then nip them all up again once the engine is warm. Have fun




Few Random Shots

Ports on head. Decent size and well rounded

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[Julz]

very cool nice write-up!
if i wasn't trying to save up for a wedding and for a house i'd definitely get one of these!

[daedalusjc]

Few More pics

Stock mitsi gaskets. Good but not reusable

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Alot of drill bits for stud removal

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Stock manifold....how resrictive...look at the way they attempt to merge into that poxy bit of pipe

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My old stainless exhaust shield i made at work which i'm donating to the "Bunnybash bling organisation"

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Different colour in manifold after a good thrash

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My new front mount courtesy of a supra

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[ELEGNT]

awesome write up matt!!! looks like im going to have to look at getting one now. so all the welds and the flange look pretty good quality?

[underdog]

Gday OH the wild one has done it again!!!!!:D , fantastic write up& pics as well[ this is what good forums are all about, dudes that are passionate about their cars and sharing that with other forum members, thanks daed:) ps its a pretty good race between you and ommeh[tommy] to do the mods:cool:

[pAuL]

if you dont get any cels in the first few weeks, i probably will get one of these...

[0dd0ne]

if you dont get any cels in the first few weeks, i probably will get one of these...



+1. So many things to buy -_-

[lovecolt]

That looked hot. So you planning to have a heat shield or something over that manifold?

[daedalusjc]

cheers for all the comments guys. love sharing and helping out. i figure someones gotta try it all first. lol dunno about race between ommeh and i. my cars dead stock on the exterior except for painted brakes but all go under bonnet. not really into all that ricey stuff. gotta get to a dyno to pwn the kw figures although after jumping in bunny's car today damn it's awesome except for damn boost taper but that will be solved rather soon :cool:

anyway onto the manifold. CEL yes at the hands of my missus. pulled all nighter and she needed the colt to pick up friends car so i only had one hell quick test drive this morning before kelvin and bunny rocked up so didnt get to put it thru its paces. Misses managed to get 2 CEL's on 80km trip. P1241 dammit. finally got the colt back in my hands to have a play and turns out it was just the ebc settings. boost was starting earlier and she drives with the mentality to get into 5th as soon as possible. like 40kmh in 5th trying to accelerate. had to explain to her the whole drama and corrected boost maps and now the cars awesome. like i mean sensational. took it out for a spin with kelvin after front mount and it goes so much damn harder. and as i was saying to ELEGNT somehow i have way less boost spike....wtf?

Paul i've got alot of mods on my car so it would definitely be more likely to cel. i''d say on a stocker or lightly modded it would be fine and dandy although a proper cai would be a must. gets awfully hot under there but looks joy. now just need to have a gate hanging off it muhahah

I'd thought about a cover but honestly love the look. first thing bunny says is "wow theres so much more room" i hadnt even considered it but there is heaps more room. I'd kinda recommend to other people holding off ordering one until it's gotten 2 weeks of thrashing. If anyone can kill it i'd be the one.

So anyway in conclusion.....

-incredibly awesome
-looks joooooooy
-a PROPER cold air intake is a must
-easy to fit if you dont have any stud issues
-fast shipping
-crackers amount of boost response
-probably want a boost gauge in your car and maybe controller

[pAuL]

mine still gets upset sometimes about the dump pipe

[daedalusjc]

nah wasn't ebc. Settings where left the same. Had maybe 3 to 4 psi over before manifold and after fitting it have about 1 psi now.

[bpt4w]

looks horn , but those welds are crap , might need to get a dremel and clean them up a bit internally that is.

[daedalusjc]

already done from manufacturer. All i did was run rag through there to clean any excess crap out.

[bpt4w]

mmmm must be that the photo's don't do them justice , doesn't really matter anyway anything has got to be better than that piece of crap mitsubishi put on there.

[daedalusjc]

just a quick update. Still no issues with manifold with cracks and leaks. Still going strong. If you were going to order one it seems pretty rugged so i'd say go ahead

[Mitsiman]

Cracking of manifolds usually happens after months of use, not weeks :)

[daedalusjc]

haha yeah but i ran on the formula of chinese * ebay factor / price = reliability. Not very high haha. Now if only that damn rpw down pipe cat didn't rattle :-) jokes

[Ayu452]

lol if u hear the rattles i got..u prob go insane...i think it sounds tuff haha...i just put the music louder...every bump u hear a ting and creek, especially when cold it idles close to the body and xhaust taps the underbelly for about 10mins...can barely hear the person next to u :D

[fauxpas]

So what's the final verdict on the manifold?

[daedalusjc]

still going strong mate. A cold air intake is vital though. Throws off so much heat! You've done your car properly so another 300 bucks for the rpw manifold might be worth the piece of mind although ebay deluxe manifolds still cranking along.

[ommeh]

Any plans on getting it heatwraped? try to reduce the heat it produces?

I'm paying for mine now ^^~

how long did it take to get yours to your door?

[ELEGNT]

mine took 5 working days probly not going to heat wrap it either

[daedalusjc]

yeah same as elegnt ommeh. 5 days which is pretty quick turnaround. I wouldn't recommend heatwrapping them hey. Stainless and heat wrap are a no no when it comes to cracking. Do some research on it but i know turbo manifolds are a no go where as normal extractors are fine. So that's 3 people now who have this manifold? Joy

[filofaith]

so whos first to dyno to see AFRs??

[daedalusjc]

lol not me. Got too much shit on car to give accurate reading

[fauxpas]

Final verdict on this manifold?

[filofaith]

Final verdict on this manifold?

from wat i read all thumbs up, but if u want the real verdict wait for ELGNT to make a response or ill go see his car in person and give u a verdict:D

[ommeh]

So what can we do to reduce the heat?

Also is stainless steel a common manifold material?

Thanks for the info ~

[daedalusjc]

yeah stainless and cast are 2 most common. Believe it or not our stock manifold appears to be a composite of stainless aswell. Umm heat... Well i pulled the cover off the hood scoop but bit dodgy in rain and also stuck the pod filter in the fender. You could fabricate a shield pretty easy. Get some bolts welded on top manifold so you could bolt down a sheetmetal shield of some type. As i said though and may be wrong but do a google search for heat wrap stainless manifold and read some of the horror stories. And be careful pulling those studs out of old manifold. Really easy to snap or thread

[ommeh]

Thanks for the info~

Prob wont be wrapping it then~ Not worried about heat as the pod is sitting behind the fog light but always best to keep the engine temps and low as possible lol~ I'll see what i can do when the manifold comes. I'll be getting someone to do the install for me as I'm not 100% confident with it lol~

[pAuL]

im thinking of getting this now too

[ommeh]

When i get it come out to a meet and check it out :)

[daedalusjc]

remember though you guys that this manifold does look awesome but i reckon that i will eventually change to the rpw manifold purely for reliability factor i reckon. If you guys do get this manifold before you fit it i reckon get a quote on ceramic coating. Mine's lost it's shinyness but i'm sure extreme heat doesn't help it. So there not pure stainless but more of a coating i think although they must be a composite mild steel maybe or just real low grade stainless.

[ommeh]

expensive to ceramic coat?

[ELEGNT]

ceramic would just look so shit on a manifold tho! it would cost about 70 mark

im not putting mine on till after xmas cos someone wants to give it to me as a present = not having to pay for a performance part = :D

[ELEGNT]

ok frustration levels are at maximum atm and i dont really know what to do next.

thought i could easily put my manifold on in a few hours...totally wrong!

so...seing we have a nice big bonnet vent everything in that area is rusty like hell especially all the bolts. The 9 came off the block with no dramas, so i moved on to the ones on the turbo. the 1st one came off ok was super tight tho but the second one was so tight that i undid it half way and then it just snapped(still in the turbo housing):mad: .and the last one (with the stud) came off reasonably ok. but now i am left with the manifold still on cos i cant get the stud out and noone around me has a stud remover.

here are some pics
http://i47.tinypic.com/2z8yfzk.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/143f6oh.jpg

so what am i to do. how do i get the stud out? and how do i get half of my bolt out? drilling them is dodgy unless u put it in a press so its straight.

*sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh*

whats everyones thoughts?

[ommeh]

you have to progressivly drill it with different size drill bits~

thats prob the only way you can do it :(

[Corosith]

Bummer, well it's not the first time it has happened so it was to be expected - I guess there really is no option other than to drill out the bolt, hope you have good drill bits!:(

[ELEGNT]

did you try soaking it with something like wd40?

yeh did that but no good. the bolts are so hard to i dont know how ill go drilling them:(

how hard is it to take the whole assembly out (manifold and turbo)? is it a matter of taking off turbo inlet and outlet and unbolting the only visible bolt that holds the turbo onto the block?

[pAuL]

if/when i get one, i will be getting the exhaust shop i go to to get it done... i dont trust myself that much

[Turbo_Tim]

Hard to see but might be time to get some easy outs. Not 100% chance it will work either.
http://www.transquip.com.au/productlist.aspx?ID=192

Other option is to call a mobile mechanic. I think there might even be guys that specialise in removing snapped studs.
Heres an example if you get stuck http://www.mobilethreadrepair.com.au/

[fauxpas]

Easyouts, that's them...

[Macca]

rust has nothing to do with the bolt being seized.

Its the constant and extreme heat from the turbo that caused it.

Only way is to drill it out.

Look in the phone book for a mobile specialst in this sort of stuff.

It was mentioned in a few threads anyone who has taken the manifold off has suffered a snapped stud on the turbo.

I did

RPW did

Dead did.

[daedalusjc]

easy outs wont work mate. Centre punch then small high tensile drill bits but don't use high speed drill. Need's to be low rpm. Then work your way out. It's an effort and if you don't have the tools or metal working skills then might need to get in done pro. It's a pain man i know but don't get shitty. I caused more damage getting angry. 2moro go get some good bits and a low speed drill

[filofaith]

did u drop the dump pipe and other things first?? you should of left the least weight possible, kinda sucks it snapped though, hope you get it on i took for Clems manifold and it wasnt an easy job

[daedalusjc]

lol mine's cracked. At cold start you can hear it ticking and feel it but once it's warned up it goes away. Gotta pull it off 2nite to have a better look

[ommeh]

lol mine's cracked. At cold start you can hear it ticking and feel it but once it's warned up it goes away. Gotta pull it off 2nite to have a better look

=.=~

that is not a good thing to hear :S

[bunnybash]

lol mine's cracked. At cold start you can hear it ticking and feel it but once it's warned up it goes away. Gotta pull it off 2nite to have a better look

sherpa broke it mum!!!! wow i can hear her chanting it now! :)

oh yeah let us know if you need a hand getting anything done to fix it... am unemployed now! :)

[daedalusjc]

knew it would happen eventually. Would probably last alot longer on stock colt. Mine got a hammering

[bunnybash]

knew it would happen eventually. Would probably last alot longer on stock colt. Mine got a hammering

i was trying to describe the boost on your car yesterday to Ayu... was hard to do, you do indeed smash and hammer your Colt! :)

[fauxpas]

No one who would buy this manifold would then drive their car like a granny...

Please do let us known if its the manifold that's cracked, where and why...

Thanks... This was on my shortlist of mods...

[ELEGNT]

shit....look forward to cracking mine then...

btw if anyone wants to buy one dont! so much of a fuck around getting the stock one off and the new one on, and the bolts that are supplied dont fit.

2 weeks and i still havnt got it on...:mad:

and that broken bolt that i had, i had to get a mobile stud remover to come remove it cost me 110$ and he said he has worked for 8 years and had never seen a harder bolt.

[fauxpas]

...i had to get a mobile stud remover to come remove it cost me 110$ and he said he has worked for 8 years and had never seen a harder bolt.

They all say that to legitimise the bill...

[ommeh]

i'm kinda regretting my purchase of the manifold lol....

$328 down the drain~ I dont even think it will last 1 month with the adaptronic mod done :S

[koshy]

They all say that to legitimise the bill...

some tradies say it how it is:p

[daedalusjc]

i'd say multiple car washes with no bonnet vent wouldn't help either. It's easy enough to get on if your lucky and have the tools. Gonna have a closer inspection 2nite as it may just be the manifold to turbo gasket leaking. I didn't have any high temp gasket goo so just used normal stuff which may have burnt away. Will report back

[ELEGNT]

tommy u got ripped man, i payed 198 for mine delivered:confused:

whats everyone recon about getting all the welds, not cut and re welded but just welded over the top? yes/no?

dead, looking forward to you reporting back as to weather i do the above, get better gaskets (new stock ones maybe) or not even put it on the car and use it as a 4 person beer bong:p

[ommeh]

tommy u got ripped man, i payed 198 for mine delivered:confused:

whats everyone recon about getting all the welds, not cut and re welded but just welded over the top? yes/no?

dead, looking forward to you reporting back as to weather i do the above, get better gaskets (new stock ones maybe) or not even put it on the car and use it as a 4 person beer bong:p

wth! how is that possible :S

did they jack up the price after you guys got it?

[daedalusjc]

lol yeah i only paid 198 aswell. It's not the welds that are the problem but the material itself me thinks. Finish at 12 so will report back after work

[ELEGNT]

material, oh wtf! thats shit!.....lets hope its not.

finishing at 12 then doing your car, geez your going to have a late night bro

[ommeh]

now i feel even more ripped off :(

[daedalusjc]

yeah man you got owned with that price. Wonder if it was the same seller. Yeah my day's 3.30 till 12 then usually go to bed when the sun starts coming up. Much more relaxing working during the night. If it is cracked will just weld the bastard up. If i have the same problem i will cut the manifold up and use the flanges and some steam pipe and make a new one

[bunnybash]

material, oh wtf! thats shit!.....lets hope its not.

finishing at 12 then doing your car, geez your going to have a late night
bro

yeah daed is impossible to get together with to tinker with Colts, between buying new toys and his sleep patterns it's just crazy!!!

[daedalusjc]

haha true. Wait till i come to your house next time in the hmas stinkfist. Bit of a walk from the river though

[0dd0ne]

Christ, daed you sound like me. I sleep at 4am and get up at 1pm.

And that sucks about the manifold. then again didnt we all sorta expect it too happen?

[daedalusjc]

yeah nothing like night shift hey. Prime hours. Yeah i said it would happen from the start just didn't know when. Oh well once it's cooled down will pull it off.

[daedalusjc]

alright so not a crack but more or less a gasket failure. to anyone fitting this manifold use the stock turbo to manifold gasket. few pics

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gasket was leaking thru this tiny crack so half gasket and half manifold error. rather than goo up old gasket and put it back on i got extreme as per usual and welded it up

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unfinished weld

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and on the top just for good measure

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after a quick wire brush

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and finally angle grinded flat. all done and pretty quick job with no more leaks. coud have been avoided by using stock gasket but oh well a good now. start time 2.30am (worked on boat motor from 12) end time 4.43 am. simple so not to worry all the ebay manifolds still live!

[ELEGNT]

good stuff dead off to mitsu i go for a gasket then:) would u recomend to get the gasket for the head too?

[Macca]

should goo all gaskets joints.

and stock gaskets are generally better than aftermarket ones.

[underdog]

gday, was the crack caused by a lack of goo & the non genuine gasket or is it still the quality of the product, as im still interested in buying one?thanks!!!!!

[filofaith]

i think he said gasket just shat itself not the welds

[underdog]

Gday, why did he do some welding? Daed could you please substantiate the exact problem, thanks:confused: :) :)

[filofaith]

from what i see the inside of the manifold did crack a tiny maybe not enough to leak but the gasket didnt last ... so for safe measures he re did the weld rather then refit it and find out that the weld was gone....

[Corosith]

Sounds dodgy to me....

[daedalusjc]

what filo said. dodgy manifold had little crack on flange which became apparent once gasket started to fail. welding was precaution if gasket blew out again

[ommeh]

final thoughts?

was it worth the money? do you think you just got an unlucky one? if given the chance, would you use a mitsubishi or better gasket to prevent this?

[daedalusjc]

yeah mitsi gasket for sure. and def worth the money. did you find out why you paid more ommeh?

[fauxpas]

yeah mitsi gasket for sure. and def worth the money. did you find out why you paid more ommeh?

Each time i spotted that manifold on ebay it was 300+ delivered...

[alba]

how much did Dave say the RPW manifold is going to be? was less than $400 wasn't it? if so, this manifold at $300 is not good value for money.

at $200 it is not bad but I'd personally rather do it right the first time :)

[fauxpas]

The RPW manifold looks like uneven length pipes... Which I dislike...

[filofaith]

RPW manifold i rekon will be more $$$ then 500

[alba]

ah ok
for some reason i had $4xx in my mind
maybe that was wishful thinking

[bunnybash]

i dunno fauxpas, i seen the RPW one on Ayu's red beast on the weekend i reckon it looks sweet...

I think it is around $400 too... which at only $100 more than the ebay one, makes it an easy choice to me!!

[fauxpas]

i dunno fauxpas, i seen the RPW one on Ayu's red beast on the weekend i reckon it looks sweet...

I don't dislike it for looks, its performance...

[fauxpas]

I'm not a fan of uneven length pipes...

http://www.rpw.com.au/Photos/Turbo%20Photos/Ralliart%20Colt%20Products/Turbo%20Manifold%201.jpg

[daedalusjc]

what i thought rpw went for tuned length. Well that's a bit uncool. It's pretty much universal knowledge that tuned length in relation to turbo's is imperative for quickest spool as the pressure wave pulses must be timed to be synchronized to hit the exhaust wheel one after the other. I mean it's definitely an improvement over stock but not sure why they didn't develop full tuned system. I'm sure dave will have reasoning for it. Yeah i only paid 198 aswell. Autobahn88 was the seller if i remember.

[Canberra Colt]

I'm sure I read that RPW were doing 2 designs of turbo manifolds, the design shown may be for people wanting to keep the factory heat shield in place (with a bit of modification) etc. The other manifold design being equal length runners, suit Garret turbos etc.
Wait and hear from RPW I take it:confused:

[Macca]

Sorry but tuned pipe on a turbo car, really means fuck all.

You should be more worried about heat loss in the manifold than the tuned length pipes.

Pusle timing on the wheel makes me LOL

[ELEGNT]

doesnt matter if its turbo or not, even lenghed headers are always going to work better than uneven lengths, always! especially if they are short and come into a small flange like ours!

im going to mitsu tomorw to buy some new gaskets.

so daed, do u think the crack was BECAUSE of the faled gasket of just because its poor quality.

i brought mine on the start of december and they jacked the price up by more than 100$ stright after that so i was just in time, dont worry tommy, u never know it could last u ages.

have u got it on yet btw, or even recieved it yet?

[Ayu452]

i will take pics of my manifold when i pull my finger out haha...

[daedalusjc]

i'd have to tentatively disagree there macca. I'd agree that it doesn't matter once it hits the turbo wheel but the prior pipework arrangement to that is crucial. Indeed it's the heat that causes most of the rotation but you can't say that having an uneven flow pulse will give the same response and spool as a manifold in which the pulses hit evenly and consistently. I remember rpw saying something about 2 manifolds aswell.

I'd put the manifold failure down to bad gasket. If the gasket hadn't have burnt away the leak wouldn't have occured. I only did the welding because i didn't have a mitsi gasket and i didn't want it to happen again. Plus i love welding haha

[ELEGNT]

I only did the welding because i didn't have a mitsi gasket and i didn't want it to happen again. Plus i love welding haha

so u put the same gasket back on, oh no:rolleyes:

[daedalusjc]

yeah with goo and fully welded around the spot it was leaking. When i get to my misses house i will swap mitsi gasket on although i doubt it would leak again

[ommeh]

yeah mitsi gasket for sure. and def worth the money. did you find out why you paid more ommeh?

from what i can see the seller is being smart. He posted this manifold up cheap to see if there was any takers. there was and we all got in on it. I was the 1st of the 1st price increase to buy. Now its going for even more expensive because i think he realise there is a market for it now and is charging more for it. I'm considered lucky as the price now sits at $390+ shipped~

I havn't got mine yet cause the idiot seller in HK forgot my address and i had to resend it to him. Its currently being shipped now. Hes sending it along with my E-Drive so yer should be here in the next couple of days. I'm def going to get a new Mistu gasket and get some good bolts also. Any suggestions on what kind of bolts to you? Are there special kinda bolts that need to be used eg. High heat resistant ones.

Personally i think these are great value for money IF they can last the distance. I'm just worried that when i get the adaptronic and boost is going to be stronger and more heat is going to be produced then it might crack or something even more worse lol~ Anyhow let us kno how it goes ^^~

[bunnybash]

I saw that they were 390+ shipping and thought hell no, will get a RPW manifold... that way they are around the corner if a problem develops :)

[ELEGNT]

tommy, just get high tensile/grade bolts. you have to get them 2 mm shorter so you are able to get them in the holes as the pipes have too much bend in them to get them straight. or try and get it with a 12mm head instead of a 14mm head. you will also need new washers as they are only zinc coated the ones that are provided.

as for mitsi gaskets, ordered them today they where $104.90 :(


daed, what did u torque them up to mate, turbo and head? i got told 59nm, fair enough for turbo but that seems a fuk load for exhaust outlet?

[fauxpas]

This manifold, or an equivalent if one comes along, is on my shortlist of mods... I won't even try and do it myself... Exhausts are pet hates of mine from previous rides so I let the shops do the work...

[dr_romanoff]

Му manifold for td04HL-13T :D
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3605/drromanoff.2/0_28b06_ad3f9c11_L.jpg
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5/drromanoff.2/0_28b07_885af549_L.jpg
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3605/drromanoff.2/0_28b09_da0c3777_L.jpg
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/25/drromanoff.2/0_28b0b_15a21e42_L.jpg

[fauxpas]

I like it... Looks like a Dodge Ram emblem...

Flange to the turbo looks a bit bent, or is that just the picture?

[Macca]

That looks nasty as hell!

[daedalusjc]

lol +1 to that macca. In the ghetto

[fauxpas]

Good nasty though, good nasty... :D

[alba]

was that steel butchered from an old russian tank or something? its like 15mm thick!!! ROFL

[Macca]

Good nasty though, good nasty... :D

there is nothing good about that manifold.

Its made from sheet steal and crap, should be thrown out, or moved to the fail at welding thread.

I doubt it would even bolt onto a block.

[fauxpas]

Come on romanoff, we need to see video of this manifold in action...

[ommeh]

that design... its not really helping the flow. as for the steel... i dont know but like i dont want to rain on your parade here but i'm not 100% sure thats going to be any use but at least it wont crack~

Needs a good welding clean and a paint up in hi temp paint :)

[fauxpas]

If the interior diameter is OK I think Romanoff's will at least outdo the stock colt (or mirage?) manifold...

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3605/drromanoff.2/0_28b09_da0c3777_L.jpg

This is a DKC extractor off the sing colt forum...

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/dakc83/IMG_0157.jpg

[dr_romanoff]

the manifold is similar to the horns of a ram. :D I have not finished work on it. now it looks very terrible and Flange to the turbo looks a bit bent. I have to change the shape of the flange. So in the end it be wrapping Exhaust Insulating (THERMO-TEC). :cool:

manifold is made of ordinary steel, as this is easier to handle and if the crack happened, I can just weld it. moreover, additional support will be made to the engine and I think that the problems with cracks, I will not. now collector looks a bit scary, but the main thing for me that he would have served its function.

in the next month I plan to finish assembling the engine of my car. as soon as the mood of the electronic control unit (from Evo 6), finish run-in (2000km) and I will go to dynorun - I will tell you about the results and show videos.

[Corosith]

I wouldn't use thermo-tec wrapping, I did that to my Suzuki Swift Gti extractors and they rusted out underneath and eventually cracked (trapped moisture), get it ceramic coated if possible.:)

[fauxpas]

Wrap may be OK on those pipes cause that metal looks THICK

Nice one Romanoff, keep us posted... Love seeing genuine custom work... :eek:

[daedalusjc]

ebay manifold off and stock one back on after 16 hours spent on stud removal again. Manifold cracked on the flange to turbo on same spot except worse and pulled the threads on one bolt. Another drill out and retap. What a fucking effort again. Lost spool and about 0.15 bar but readjusted again with controller. If anyone is going to fit one of these i'd recommend taking it to an exhaust shop out of the box and getting them to weld where the collector joins the 3 bolt flange. Apart from that i don't think you'd have anymore issues. I'm gonna hold out for rpw manifold but see if i can get dave to leave the flange off and put a td04 or small subaru ball bearing turbo on. The threads on my tf035 are well and truly wasted. Happy days till then. I hell forgot how much heat the stock manifold put out. Went for a test drive and got scorched hey. Runs way hotter me reckons

[Macca]

ofcouse its hotter, its a big ass cast item.

Where as alminium dissipates heat alot quicker, plus there is a heap more surface area on the after market one.

The heat can be a good thing.

[ELEGNT]

If anyone is going to fit one of these i'd recommend taking it to an exhaust shop out of the box and getting them to weld where the collector joins the 3 bolt flange.

ahhh shit matt how much of a pain in the ass is the manifold full stop! so u recom weld on the top side of the turbo flange where they have one done 3 little spots, is that where you are talking about?

[daedalusjc]

yeah bro that's the one. Get that welded and your trouble free

[ELEGNT]

I went on the dyno today to check out if the manifold was cauysing my car to run lean like they where supposed to be doing.

And i can assure you that it is NOT running lean, infact runs really rich...

10.2 AF it run at from 5k on and my power went through the floor, made max power at under 5k

so daed hurry up and make me that boost controller man cos im tapering off to 8 psi atm :(

[Mitsiman]

You didn't read what I wrote properly about the running lean. I said the vehicle we tested ran lean from 1500 - 2500 rpm. above that it went to normal colt rich 10.0 : 1 ratio.

We noticed same thing with boost though - dropping off.

[underdog]

gday Mitsi, so whats the remedy for the boost going down[ without having to do a reflash] ? thanks from chris!!!

[Mitsiman]

Boost pill upgrade but it won't stop the tapering off. And until we can reflash it to stop it producing CEL codes from increased airflow, not much else this moemnt unfortunatly. Although the boost level is dropping, its offset by increased airflow which means the Airflow meter is still registering the same volume of air.

[Macca]

which means it would be making simmlar power on less boost as dave has said all along.

If we ever get a flash, power should go thru the roof we all hope.

Ill beleve it when i see proven dyno sheets :P

[daedalusjc]

lol building bunny's 2nite. Do you want me to pick you up one soon at the store. In reference to getting p1241 i've noticed that after 3k at full throttle you can pretty much run whatever boost you want without error code. It's just the initial uptake or if it reaches boost too soon at low throttle input. I reckon our turbo's pretty much useless at higher psi anyway. Time to td04 it up. Just gonna cut the flange off my ebay manifold and get a td flange welded on there. Score

[ommeh]

i've seen this lean out also~

it is between 1500rpm to 2500rpm and my a/f gauge goes down really badly sometimes. Its with the added front mount cooler that its doing this. I'm not even going to consider putting my manifold on until i'm ready to install the adaptronic onto the car~

[ELEGNT]

mines cracked, as daed said anyone that still wants to buy one weld up the top of the flange that bolts onto the turbo cos they port out the inside to much resulting in it to crack

yay my fun begins again on taking it off and snapping bolts

[fauxpas]

Any pics of these cracks?

[daedalusjc]

Oh shit really man. Yeah i did say so. If anyone buys one then get it welded external and internal then faced. Manifold would be an awesome bargain then. When you refit all the bolts elegnt put some anti seize on them. Will try and find some pics

[ELEGNT]

yeh i put anti seize on them last time so fingers crossed they will come out ok. i priced some aftermarket manifolds today to get custom made and frightened myself lol

daed u recon keep driving it till it doesnt boost anymore like yours did (because it closes up now when hot and still boosts fine) or should i take it off now?

faux no pics sorry mate still on the car

[underdog]

Gday i was going to buy one of these but the price went up to ridiculous levels then they stopped selling them:(

[aby82]

bummer man.. hope u get it fixed with minimal hassles

[daedalusjc]

just leave it on man. If you take it to a good exhaust shop they will be able to weld it in situ so won't need to pull it off. Go get a quote when your free next. Probably easiest option. Gonna need it for the boost controller lol

[ELEGNT]

i had a close look today and that is going to be really tight to weld in place:(

how would they weld this stainless? the only thing that could weld this in such a cramped place would be arc/stick welding and i dont even know if u can weld stainless with that

[daedalusjc]

yeah that's what i did. Stainless rods and low amps with arc welder. An exhaust shop would probably get in there with a mig. If not man just pull it off. If you antiseized the bolts to the turbo then you should be fine. Only takes me about 15 minutes to get it off. Sure it's a pain but after you've done it you've got a manifold that should give you no more problems

[ELEGNT]

arhhh....just another update on the manifold,

from factory (autobahn88 factory) the flange to the turbo is warped and isnt true to the turbo, this is a strong contribution to why we are getting alot of cracking/leaking. And after i got my manifold welded last week (top of flange) it warped even more which i wasnt expecting with such a think flange.

so now front to back the flange is pretty flat but side to side there is 33 thou difference (with gasket on). which is nearly 1mm if people arnt aware of this measurement. this may not seem much but this will leak majorly!

so therefore its not a easy task of just facing on a belt which is the common practice so its flat becuase you may be facing it not the right angle to the turbo, so the best way is to spend lots of time on a milling machine till you can take that one side off. BUT once you have done this you still have 33+ thou gap all round that the manifold had to stretch to pull down flat which again is too much for the joins to account for and they will fail soon enough.

So what i am going to have to do is redrill all the holes that the block studs go into 1mm oversize so that flange then sits down 1mm lower to close the 33 thou.


i will give u one more chance POS manifold

:(

[Julz]

use gasket sealer paste as well? just put heaps on and smear it around the edges :)

[daedalusjc]

hey man wouldn't it be easier to unbolt the bracket's that hold the turbo on, fit the manifold on to block loosely, tighten manifold to turbo bolts so it sits flush then tighten the manifold to head nuts and finally the bottom turbo bracket's? They've got a bit of play in them.

[ommeh]

it would still put unnecs strain on the manifold itself~

Well i guess you get what you pay for lol~ I hope when i put mine on it wont be such a pain in the ass ><

[ELEGNT]

daed, that was last resort cos it is a biarch of a job and like tommy said there will still be strain on the manifold even tho its going to be sealed.

and the other flange(bolts to the block) has even more warp in it that i found out today maybe 60 thou dropping off the center so im getting that faced tomorow at work and then ill report back on how that made a diff on the turbo flange.

fun and games....so exiting:D

[mitsumies]

Hello guys. Special thanks to faux for helping me in! :)

I am from Finland, the land of rally and racing :p ive ordered Colt Ralliart (white) and delivery should be in April but im already looking for some mods.

Ordered so far....

OZ Ultraleggera 17" rims
BMC panel-filter (k&n like)
Forge intercooler outlet hose, the inlet manifold inlet hose and the dump valve hose and hard pipe kit also.

Im also doing RPW complete exhaust system and now thinkin their manifold also...so is there any news about it? Is ECU tuning required or highly recommended with it?

Sorry for bad english :o
Thanks,
Ville

[Mitsiman]

Retuning the ECU is definitly recomended for best results.

We should have in the next week a full plug and play piggy back ECU tuning option which woudl mean you hook it up with the base map and be ready to race, then go onto the dyno, raise the boost and start tuning away at higher levels.

Turbo manifolds are in production from our initial supplier, but I have already organised a new firm who will make an improved design again using CNC machining on the collector for smoother air flow once I get our manifolds back and I can send them a sample. There turnaroud time is only 2 weeks in batches of 5 at a time so we will be able to meet all future demand for them easily.

[mitsumies]

Thanks for fast response Mitsiman.

Do you recommend fitting manifold without tune at all?

-Ville

[Mitsiman]

Yes and no for normal driving on teh road it shoudl be fine but if you plan on doing any form of track work or are an aggressive driver, then no a tune needs to be done at the same time.