HKS Silent HiPower for Z27AG

[tingtw]

Quoted from our SG forum.

Just came back from Garage R with great news for you guys.

Garage R had requested HKS Japan to fabricate a muffler for us.

The muffer will be from the HKS Silent HiPower range. Garage R told me that they'll launch it around Jun 07 with a price tag of less than 1k with LTA approval.

Garage R dun need a minimum orders from us. They're bringing the muffler in quantity for the local CVR community.

You can expect the price range from 900 to 1k with installation, excluding the $52.50 inspection fee.

I'll dump my Tanabe muffler for this HKS Silent HiPower. For those brothers who had put their name down for the YR-Advance muffler GB, you might wanna hold your horses. The reason why I not interested in YR-Advance muffler is because I doubt the muffler material quality. From the pic you'll understand why.

Also saw the Billion hose kit. Retailing at $240.00. rebbot report $200.00 because he bought the hose kit with other items from Garage R therefore the $40.00 discount.

By the way, for those still can't decide between the Billion hose kit or the Creative Sports hose kit. I can said Creative Sports hose kit looks similar to Samco Sport but its NOT from Samco Sport. If its from Samco Sport, you'll see the white Samco Sport wordings printed on the hose kit.

[lovecolt]

Basically, Garage R is a workshop in Singapore. They have requested HKS to do up a HKS silent HiPower Exhaust for our RColt. Expected price is 1k SGD.

And the rest is really irrelevant to the exhaust, which can be ignored :D

I personally loved the HKS exhaust.....hopefully i will have money sometime in the future to get one :(

[white horse]

Quoted from our SG forum.

Just came back from Garage R with great news for you guys.

Garage R had requested HKS Japan to fabricate a muffler for us.

The muffer will be from the HKS Silent HiPower range. Garage R told me that they'll launch it around Jun 07 with a price tag of less than 1k with LTA approval.

Garage R dun need a minimum orders from us. They're bringing the muffler in quantity for the local CVR community.

You can expect the price range from 900 to 1k with installation, excluding the $52.50 inspection fee.

I'll dump my Tanabe muffler for this HKS Silent HiPower. For those brothers who had put their name down for the YR-Advance muffler GB, you might wanna hold your horses. The reason why I not interested in YR-Advance muffler is because I doubt the muffler material quality. From the pic you'll understand why.

Also saw the Billion hose kit. Retailing at $240.00. rebbot report $200.00 because he bought the hose kit with other items from Garage R therefore the $40.00 discount.

By the way, for those still can't decide between the Billion hose kit or the Creative Sports hose kit. I can said Creative Sports hose kit looks similar to Samco Sport but its NOT from Samco Sport. If its from Samco Sport, you'll see the white Samco Sport wordings printed on the hose kit.

Hi Tingtw :
Is your Tanabe Muffler sound good ,is loud ? if its not too loud, Would you like to sell it to me ? what is inlet size ? it looks like 4 inch tip, PM me please if you interest to sell it !

[lovecolt]

I think you will find it much cheaper to buy a brand new one from a aus importer than tingtw, as he is located in Singapore.

[ColtVerR]

this is indeed sweet news for all of us at CVR Singapore...finally HKS is working on our baby evo..:rolleyes:

[27AME]

You all mention exhausts... But what kind is it? Cat Back? Turbo Back?

To me, Cat Back is not worth doing - We need a full turbo back system that will take a cat out, therefore going from a 2 cat system to a 1 cat system. We also need to get rid of the muffler just behind the 2nd cat, it is not needed!

[AK47]

You all mention exhausts... But what kind is it? Cat Back? Turbo Back?

To me, Cat Back is not worth doing - We need a full turbo back system that will take a cat out, therefore going from a 2 cat system to a 1 cat system. We also need to get rid of the muffler just behind the 2nd cat, it is not needed!

We all wanted that. You can wait until the cows comes home. The fact is no manufacturer is going to made one for us with our tiny population in the market. Not to mention getting it approved for use legally on the road.

You can always mod your downpipe remove cat separately, at your own risk. Even before you do that, prepare to retune by getting yourself a piggyback ecu, otherwise your low-end torque is going to suffer big time. Not all of us are that hard-core.

Btw, its just a muffler but is probably the most realistic option we have at the moment.

Those that are getting this understand its not getting us more Hp, rather just going for the sound and look.

[27AME]

Who cares about manufacturers?

Fact of the matter is most workshops can probably produce a better system at a fraction of the price!

And what do you mean by getting a piggy back ecu becuase low end torque is going to suffer? If anything, torque is going to be fatter across the whole rev range by removing a cat.

Your paying a shitload more for a brand name, and losing a lot more in performance. Quite stupid yeah?

[AK47]

Who cares about manufacturers?

Fact of the matter is most workshops can probably produce a better system at a fraction of the price!

And what do you mean by getting a piggy back ecu becuase low end torque is going to suffer? If anything, torque is going to be fatter across the whole rev range by removing a cat.

Your paying a shitload more for a brand name, and losing a lot more in performance. Quite stupid yeah?

So i presume you done it since it so cheap and good?

[lovecolt]

Who cares about manufacturers?

Fact of the matter is most workshops can probably produce a better system at a fraction of the price!

And what do you mean by getting a piggy back ecu becuase low end torque is going to suffer? If anything, torque is going to be fatter across the whole rev range by removing a cat.

Your paying a shitload more for a brand name, and losing a lot more in performance. Quite stupid yeah?

Yes and no. A better system can be because of the better horsepower output, or it can be the quality of the product, and it can also be the balance of dB sound & output. Hence, you are only right to a certain degree. Really depend what you are after. Its just like choosing a Euro sports car against a jap sports car, where you spend a fraction of the price for the same performance. Worth it or not, its up to individual, but I would definitely not say others stupid.

As for torque fatter across whole rev range, that's not true. The more open exhaust you have, the less back pressure you have in your exhaust, hence initial pick up is weaker.

[27AME]

lol its a turbo car... you don't need back pressure!

[AK47]

lol its a turbo car... you don't need back pressure!

Yes its turbo but dont think yours kicks in at 1000rpm, does it?

[27AME]

lol whats your point?

[lovecolt]

AK47: The guy lives in Gold Coast, hence no traffic compare to like Sydney or Singapore. Therefore, he don't need initial take off power :D

27AME: Try driving that kinda car in Syd and it might change your thinking ;)

[ColtVerR]

Gold Coast?!! no wonder!! u can do anyting to the car...might as well dun have xos pipin at all!! straight out from the turbo side..:p

[hendo]

You all mention exhausts... But what kind is it? Cat Back? Turbo Back?

To me, Cat Back is not worth doing - We need a full turbo back system that will take a cat out, therefore going from a 2 cat system to a 1 cat system. We also need to get rid of the muffler just behind the 2nd cat, it is not needed!

just noticed you said 2 cat and from what i can see we only have 1 right near the turbo. then we have a resinator then a second muffler

[Chipokae]

hendo, the thing you labelled as a resonator is actually a cat. our car has a 2 cat system.

[27AME]

Yep that's a cat. That whole system would be so much better without both of those in there and just a straight pipe.

[panaua]

what do u think is the ideal dimension of the exaust?
About 2.125" or bigger?

[hendo]

:o it doesnt look like 1 to me if you look ate the 1 near the turbo they look totaly different but i will take your word for it

[Chipokae]

:o it doesnt look like 1 to me if you look ate the 1 near the turbo they look totaly different but i will take your word for it

hendo, the one near the turbo is also known as a pre-cat, they both remove different toxins from the exhaust air. so they both perform similar functions but not the same, hth. :)


Yep that's a cat. That whole system would be so much better without both of those in there and just a straight pipe.

very illegal too hehe :D

[27AME]

Not "overly" illegal to take out one cat, as long as one is still in there. I was referring to taking out that muffler and the cat seen in the pic, not the one on the dump pipe. However, best bet for our car is to get a new 3 inch split dump pipe (with no cat) then straight through 3 inch to the rear with a small muffler out the back. For legality issues, buy a cat, knock all the honeycomb crap out, and get an exhaust shop to weld it in there :D

[hendo]

well i went to D&T exhaust in adelaide and im gona get a cat back system :) 2.5 inch stainles with mandrel bends and a replacment front pipe to remove the second cat for track days and the rear muffler will be removable to put on a pipe :cool:

[27AME]

Can I ask why you want stainless?

It will be more expensive than mild steel, give no performance gains, but will last longer (mild steel will still last up to 10 years).

Personally I don't see the need, especially when you look at what they use for the stock system in the first place :).

[hendo]

Can I ask why you want stainless?

It will be more expensive than mild steel, give no performance gains, but will last longer (mild steel will still last up to 10 years).

Personally I don't see the need, especially when you look at what they use for the stock system in the first place :).

cause i can pretty much. nah its just thats what i got quoted i think they may be going to use my car to make a kit up cause they are gona dyno it twice both before and after for free :) i now there isnt any gain but i thought what the hell and any way im getting it cheaper than what the ralliart exhaust is even with my cams licence.

[27AME]

Your right, there probably wont be a gain. CES got a 16kW gain though from a full 2.5inch turboback exhaust with hi-flow cat, tuned length manifold and one muffler out the back. So there is hope for our car.

If you don't mind me asking, how much was your quote?

[hendo]

$950 and the ralliart exhaust $956 (cams price) normal is $1366

[27AME]

$950 for custom 2.5inch catback!!! That's expensive...

I got a quote for $1200 for full turboback exhaust with dump pipe and a hi-flow cat and one muffler out the back. For stainless steel it was an extra $300.

[lovecolt]

950 is indeed abit too expensive. I can get a Jap catback for that price already....

Might as well go with 27AME's $1200. 27AME, is that CES's system you are talking about?

Also you mention CES full exhaust system makes 16kw gain....is that on the wheel or on the fly?

[27AME]

CES exhaust was 16kW at the wheels, dyno proven. Same day, same temps, an hour MAX apart. They dynoed, bolted the exhaust on, then dynoed again. $1200 was from a place on the Gold Coast that did my last exhaust.

CES prices are a JOKE! The CES Manifold was $1650 alone and the rest of the system was like $2700 or something on top of that. I cant remember exact prices, I have the sheet somewhere, but it came to over $4000 for the full system.

[hendo]

i know it aint so cheap but they are makin some other parts of the side for free that will take out all the cats for when i go to the track

[Steve-B]

27ame,
Mate I understand you think 4g is alot, and I do to. But if its a whole system, from ports to bumper, nuts and bolts, installation and 16kw's at the wheels I say it would be worth it, as you would have the base to up the boost, get a nice CAI working and other mods with a free flowing exhaust like that it would be less restrictive and the sky would be the limit. 1200 for a cat back might be good, but have they dyno tested any of their stuff like CES has ? if CES are dyno'n their gear, they must be doing something right and as a car nut, that kind of mentally speaks more to me than a cheap exhaust that may sound nice but really is just a shiny POS.
Just my thoughts.

[lovecolt]

27AME, any idea what your $1200 exhaust gain in terms of KW??

As for CES's 4k asking price, after a clear thought.....it might not be as unreasonable as i initially thought. Because it might cost the same if a Jap full system. But the question is, the quality of CES. Is it on par with Jap's quality?? Although from what i seem at Brisbane Motor Show, CES exhaust looks the good.

As Steve-B mentioned, the 16fwkw might only be the tip of the ice berg. With other mods to accompany it, the original 16fwkw might go 25fwkw. But then, its all in theory :p

For me, i don't see where i can get the 4k to get the system. Hence a cat back might be the max i will go for.

[Steve-B]

well hold up all your thoughts as i sent a long email to ces explaining our interest in them, requesting dyno sheets if they have them, the size of piping, materials used ie cat, resonator etc etc, and prices for headers and etc to sydney. So we will see what they come back with. As they made a great system and might of made/sold 1 or 2. so if there is interest we might see some price drops.
Will keep you all informed.

[27AME]

They will tell you they used a EURO-4 Catalytic Converter and one resonator. The piping is 2.5inch. They do have dyno sheets but couldn't find them when I went in there. They used stainless steel throughout.

[27AME]

27ame,
Mate I understand you think 4g is alot, and I do to. But if its a whole system, from ports to bumper, nuts and bolts, installation and 16kw's at the wheels I say it would be worth it, as you would have the base to up the boost, get a nice CAI working and other mods with a free flowing exhaust like that it would be less restrictive and the sky would be the limit. 1200 for a cat back might be good, but have they dyno tested any of their stuff like CES has ? if CES are dyno'n their gear, they must be doing something right and as a car nut, that kind of mentally speaks more to me than a cheap exhaust that may sound nice but really is just a shiny POS.
Just my thoughts.

It's an exhaust, I can't see how there would be differences between the two? CES followed the same path as the stock system, mandrel bent. So was my $1200 quote. The only thing that would make the CES system better is the Tuned Length Manifold. I think you'll find the CES system will be the shiny one, my $1200 quote will be built for purpose, not bling :P

[Steve-B]

Mate ive read your posts on the boost forum.
http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=202938&hl=

im not sure what you got pm'd back, but the proper trust muffler like you were told in the other muffler thread by the other users, is that there is no way you would get a proper trust system installed for 1100 bucks, and whoever told you that is stringing you along.
http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=202858&hl=

As for CES, I would pay 1650 for the manifold and get the rest of the system done down here cheaper, but I cant say anything for CES as I havent been there or seen any of their works, oh, that is except for all the motorsport they sponsor and enter into with the bikes, cars and nitro top fuelers....
http://www.cesracing.com.au/Performance/

it just seems smarter to me to go for a system developed for our cars, on our cars, with proof and evidence of dramatic increases in power on our cars. But each to their own.

[27AME]

Mate ive read your posts on the boost forum.
http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=202938&hl=

im not sure what you got pm'd back, but the proper trust muffler like you were told in the other muffler thread by the other users, is that there is no way you would get a proper trust system installed for 1100 bucks, and whoever told you that is stringing you along.
http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=202858&hl=

As for CES, I would pay 1650 for the manifold and get the rest of the system done down here cheaper, but I cant say anything for CES as I havent been there or seen any of their works, oh, that is except for all the motorsport they sponsor and enter into with the bikes, cars and nitro top fuelers....
http://www.cesracing.com.au/Performance/

it just seems smarter to me to go for a system developed for our cars, on our cars, with proof and evidence of dramatic increases in power on our cars. But each to their own.

Tsk tsk...

I actually got that wrong, the $1100 trust exhaust was a cat back system, and I actually was told it was turboback at first, until I was sent another PM after I had posted saying it was only a cat back system.