Trouble getting from 2nd to 1st gear

[kuro]

I have only had my colt for 1000kms, and im having trouble downshifting whilst the car is stationary.
Anyone else having this problem?
I know they wont change the gear oil, but will this get better after my 1500kms service?

[lovecolt]

sorry.....don't quite get what you are trying to say.....downshifting when car's not moving???

[kuro]

sorry.....don't quite get what you are trying to say.....downshifting when car's not moving???

sorry not downshifting in it's literal sense, i meant changing down from 2nd to 1st when the car is stationary.

[Trickster]

Yeah I have the same problem and my RColt has 8,000km on it - the gearbox is stubborn. At times I find myself starting in 2nd gear just cause its easier. Cheers

[kuro]

Yeah I have the same problem and my RColt has 8,000km on it - the gearbox is stubborn. At times I find myself starting in 2nd gear just cause its easier. Cheers

just out of interest do you double clutch (heel and toe) a lot?
because i do and i dont know if that could be causing the problem?

[fauxpas]

just out of interest do you double clutch (heel and toe) a lot?
because i do and i dont know if that could be causing the problem?

Technically speaking, double clutch and heel toe are different things for the same outcome. Double clutching is what truck drivers do when driving non-syncro boxes on up and down changes. Heel toe is what we use, when necessary, to blip the throttle on down changes only.

Only do it when needed or when practicing.

:D

[Frogman]

i don't have that problem but it doesn't like to change to first from second whilst moving...

[kuro]

Technically speaking, double clutch and heel toe are different things for the same outcome. Double clutching is what truck drivers do when driving non-syncro boxes on up and down changes. Heel toe is what we use, when necessary, to blip the throttle on down changes only.

Only do it when needed or when practicing.

:D

yeah i know what you mean. i meant double clutching when not heel and toeing, whilst downshifting, rev matching, engine braking.

[fauxpas]

Ya really only have to heel toe when you need to get it into the gear at a speed the box would normally protest at or be belligerent. Unless you were getting serious on a midnight run or track day, you wouldn't do it in response to a gearbox that is playing up. I'd be getting mitsu to fix it...

[McCoy]

I think I'm losing I as I read this thread...

[27AME]

There is no need to double clutch with modern gearboxes anyway.. Unless your screaming towards a hairpin at the top of 3rd and want to quickly shift to 2nd, even then, just jam on the brakes and jam it in there :P

[fauxpas]

...just jam on the brakes and jam it in there :P

Tried it last night... She slapped me :eek:

[27AME]

Tried it last night... She slapped me :eek:

You're with the wrong one then ;)

[fauxpas]

After I got slapped, I then when home to my wife... :p

[Ayu452]

lol she slapped u..thats some funny siht.
I have same prob got 25000km on the clock..stubbord first...and sometime reverse doesn't go it...it pops in when i release the clutch...or it makes some freakin loud moanin noise.

can someone fill me in on this heel an toe stuff...i have bike backgrnd, and i occasionally do rev matchin but normally i slammin the brakes on, no time to rev match...this is my first manual car...maybe i shiftin wrong..

i watch some jap drift movies...and when they are racin...the just smash the clutch in an release.. i do that occasionally but i dont like the jerk when you bring it out fast (haha jerk..bringing it out to fast...yeh i am a ero/pervert), then for the last lil bit i do it slow to get the jerkless transistion.

i normally dont rev match...just wait till it get to <2k rpm then down shift...

but i was thinkin the gear box maybe not let u do a hard downshift from high rev to stop u doin burn outs an stuffin the gear box..not sure... the wierd moanin noise i make her make...makes me feel embarrassed... any help pplz hehe cheers ^_^

[Corosith]

Ayu452, I believe you are on the right track RE the heel/toe when coming into a corner as with your motor bike riding. Basically rev matching is a similar thing, except on a manual car, you brake with you right toe, and blip the throttle with your heel to match revs when down-changing through the gears going into a corner. Some cars are well set up for this with the brake and accelerator pedals close together to allow an easy heel/toe action, whilst others are a complete pain in the ass with a proverbial grand canyon between the pedals!:D

[lovecolt]

i don't think i ever have any much problem in getting to first gear. But if you are in doubt, either get mitsu to check or just simply change the gearbox oil. Different grade of gearbox oil gives you different feeling when slotting in gears.

ayu452:
For getting into reverse, its stated in the owner's manual that you should press/hold your clutch for 1 or 2 secs (can't remember the exact reading) but putting it into reverse. Alternative, you can try putting into another gear first before slotting into reverse, which i personally find it quicker.

As for the clutch in and release, its called popping the clutch. Not very advisable as it stresses your gearbox.

[fauxpas]

There are stacks of heel toe on you tube... Here is one of the best as in what we would use... the blipping of the throttle with the heel...

Other ways are longer depressions of the throttle, or, not heel toeing if you have a fat shoe and leg that won't twist but using the outside of your shoe to blip throttle.

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[lovecolt]

On the topic about heel & toe, you will tend to find it so much easier when you are doing it at higher rev range.

And, RColt's brake/acceleration pedal position are in a high & low position. Not exactly the easiest combo for easy heel/toe, but will get used to it as time goes.

[fauxpas]

Yep, in this one Tif talks about the brake sinking too far down for good heel toe in the XR4. The XR4 beats the colt czt pretty bad here but I think its due to the ASC...

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[ommeh]

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Its like how you have issues shifting into reverse when stationary. Most cars have this issue. It may be a fail safe to stop you from crunching gears i dont know but that can be a factor. Try not shifting to 1st gear straight away. Try going to N and when ur ready to start again shift to 1st. My cars done 16,XXXKm and never had this issue. I heal toe everytime i down shift. Its just a habit i cant lose from driving the YRV. Its become instinct to me now, when i drive and come close to a corner heal heal and turn. Anyhow heal toe is actually better for the car as it brings the rev's up to the same rpm the engine is running meaning that the isnt as much strain on the gearbox + the ride is a lot smoother when downshifting :)

[ommeh]

If your having trouble heal and toe'ing then what i suggest is do what i do, its called the toe~ think of this, your in forth and ur hammering down and the corner is coming but your still learning about how to heal etc so what you do is you clutch in, tap the throttle with you toe, then shift down to 3rd and now start to brake. This is a easy way of learning but not recommended for the novice driver. Heal and Toe is also not recommended for the novice driver. Takes years of constant practice to master.

Master i mean do it like the King does. I've been heal & toeing for a good 2yrs now and i still cant do it as smoothly as dori dori. Anyone can heal but healing smoothly and matching the rpm's perfectly is something else.

[eatevo]

You really have to press the brakes quite hard coming into a corner in order to get the brake pedal to go down far enough w/ your toes and then apply heel to accelerator, down shift then power out. There could be some opposite lock fun.

[Ayu452]

so that what u call heel an toe lol...i must drive like an oldie compared to that....

what i try to do with reverse now...i depress the clutch twice before i change into reverse...haven't heard her moan in awhile....besides when i started her in 1st at the servo....i wasn't thinkin....spaced out like a hoe

but thanks for the info...if u see a crashed colt on the news...it prob me practising the heel toe stuff lol