wrx beater?

[radstar]

what chance does the colt have against a wrx? given the wrx is std and 7 years old and I mod the colt how far do I need to go? I know LSD is needed its my first mod even before I leave the lot so what else? I need to beat my mate thats all lol.

[why_bother]

larger 2.0L engine, awd drive train... I'd probably start there ;) forget your mate, you'll spend oodles of cash trying to beat him.

[Macca]

you will need an LSD and 130kw atw atleast.

[radstar]

aww uk it I may aswell buy d rex then doesnt look to good for the colt!

[lovecolt]

As what's gonna happen to all people who try to use a lesser machine to challenge a better machine, you will certainly need quite abit of money. This is especially true when you are starting off from the lower end.

To be honest, i wouldn't even bother to attempt as there's simply no point.

[kuro]

err... sell the colt and buy an evo.
the money you would have to spend on it to get it that fast and safe to drive that fast you may as well buy an evo.

[bserk]

See if you can chuck a 4g63 into the colt, then try to torque steer your way to a win. Would be a lot of fun.

[hendo]

on the track yesterday there was an standard sti and it wasnt that fast i kept with it

[aby82]

just race him on a twisty section o' road ;)

[27AME]

I'm getting the vibe that radstar is just a dreamer....

[lovecolt]

I'm getting the vibe that radstar is just a dreamer....

Never say never yo! ;) There's a 1.3L(T) Toyota Starlet in Japan that's quicker than a GTR34 on straight. Its just the matter of whether if its worth it for individuals.

[bunnybash]

on the track yesterday there was an standard sti and it wasnt that fast i kept with it

hendo, what mods do you have on yours, i have seen it referred to before, but can't find it, and you have over 200 posts i cant be bothered looking through!!

i guess the other thing to think about in beating a WRX, is the driver, doesn't matter how good the car is, if you cant drive!! by the way i am a crap driver :D

[Adam]

on the track yesterday there was an standard sti and it wasnt that fast i kept with it

How was the STI's mid corner and exit speed? I haven't put my Rcolt on a track yet but I think we should have better mid corner speed.

[hendo]

im running 14psi with a k&n filter and custom intake with 2.5 pre cat back and for track no muffler. i found entery and mid corner good with the colt but as mallala has tight corners its hard when you are coming out of the corner all i did was slide doesnt help running street tires on a 40 degree day. as for the sti out of corners good and quick on straights

[27AME]

Never say never yo! ;) There's a 1.3L(T) Toyota Starlet in Japan that's quicker than a GTR34 on straight. Its just the matter of whether if its worth it for individuals.

I mean, he sounds like a kid who's dreaming of cars he can't afford. You don't go on a forum and go, "Oh no, it can't keep up with a WRX, I'm going to completely change my mind straight away".

Choose a set of cars, do your research, test drive them and then choose the one that's right for you. Simple.

[Darthrev]

what chance does the colt have against a wrx? given the wrx is std and 7 years old and I mod the colt how far do I need to go? I know LSD is needed its my first mod even before I leave the lot so what else? I need to beat my mate thats all lol.

Think you gota be realistic and not to be expecting to beat vehicles out of your class too easily? even spending a fortune on the colt it is going to be hard to be competative against wrx's in some circumstances like quarter mile runs?. Maybe on tracks or time trials we can give em a run, this proven by someone who ran a colt pretty well in the Western Targa rally in 2006? beating many higher class cars!!. But at the end of the day unless you want to drop a 2ltr motor in the colt and spend another 10K in upgrades you may wish to start with a base car a class higher than the rcolt is in. However if you take this attitude you will keep looking higher up the car food chain and end up not being satisfied till you have a 10 second car?

I got the Colt because it was high up in the class level that I was looking at, giving the low milage, fun driving and small size was what I was after. If you want to blow wrx's away get yourself one of those new 160K Nissan GTRs coming to Australia :D

[adamtassell]

You guys are too pessimistic!! Is the WRX is a bug eye? or the earlier, original shape? If it is a bug eye, or an auto. The RColt will not get killed badly at all.
The early wrx is 1260kg, the next one was like 1495kg (?). They had the same motor. 160kw. So a colt with light mods should beat one.

Does my logic seems off?

[Darthrev]

You guys are too pessimistic!! Is the WRX is a bug eye? or the earlier, original shape? If it is a bug eye, or an auto. The RColt will not get killed badly at all.
The early wrx is 1260kg, the next one was like 1495kg (?). They had the same motor. 160kw. So a colt with light mods should beat one.

Does my logic seems off?

not at all mate, just think you better test that logic against a real wrx lol
I tested against my workmates forrester xt, which basically has the wrx motor in it and it creamed me after about the first 25m... big gap to close imo :rolleyes:

[Pete]

i say few mods and a colt will beat a standard WRX you have to remember the price of a WRX and a Colt, so you can't expect to compete standard but then the colt is turbo turbo cars make easy power

[lovecolt]

The heaviest wrx doesn't go above 1400 kg if i'm not wrong. Besides the kws that they are doing, they always have the advantage of 4WD (for grip) and weight distribution when launching.

[adamtassell]

The heaviest wrx doesn't go above 1400 kg if i'm not wrong. Besides the kws that they are doing, they always have the advantage of 4WD (for grip) and weight distribution when launching.

Sorry mate, but you are wrong about the weight... But then I did overestimate a little...from wikipedia:

The GD chassis gains nearly 200 kg (441 lb) in weight over the GC chassis. Most of this weight comes in the form of chassis stiffening as the car was made to meet every country's crash standards. The weight also hampers the cars maneuverability, transitions and turn-in capabilities.[citation needed] The GC Imprezas were notable for being very lightweight despite having AWD. The WRX Type R STI Version VI using the GC chassis.

The bug eyes gained 200kg, and no more power. I remember reading 0-100 times for them in the 7's!!! About a year later subaru changed the gearing and also gave them more power to make up.

If they can manage a 0-100 in the 7's with a awd launch then an rcolt will run them very close in a standing start, and even closer in a rolling start. The original 1250kg, 160kw wrx had alot of lag, and if they were not launched hard, they were not that fast.

I remember racing a bug eyed STI in my non bug eyed wrx and they were dead even. I can also remember being killed by a 297 HSV to about 130kph.

My vote is that a 130kw rcolt will take a stock bug eyed WRX. No other model though!

[bunnybash]

surely it is with some pain that you write "killed by a 297 HSV".... :D

that is crazy on the weight gain and no power gain the bug eyes got... i must remember to look for bug eyed WRXs!!!!

[adamtassell]

Well, keep in mind that the bug eyes in question was only produced for 12 months, and they did not sell many of them, coz they were generally regarded as slow and ugly. They are fairly rarish.

I have butchered a few 297's since then........

[Macca]

also is alot of cases an awd launch is slower, and a 2wd launch, you watch the top gear video, when the drag a rwd agenst a 4wd, and the rwd is always off the line quicker.

[efti]

^^^

u make a good point....we use to drag 200 vs wrx vs skyline...the rexi would dump the clutch at 5k+ but we would real it in...all cars are different in varied ranges

ive never been a big fan of 4wd...i really really miss my rwd but :o

[McCoy]

I dont really know if this helps, but its happiness which is the key here for me, not building a faster car or as they case may be, a WRX beater. Personally, I would be utterly happy with the R-colt after fitting the Ralliart supension package and the Ralliart competition LSD to the car.

The answer to the question about can you make it faster than a WRX? YES! you can, but it entails spending money bringing our little car up to a higher base level from which the WRX starts from.

Saving that, I'd say it comes down to the driver. I've seen plenty of high-po and quick cars get smacked down by little 'economy' cars ie EG Civic's etc at the race track. Plenty of people can own fast and expensive cars, but the question begs can that owner extract everything out of their cars. My answer would be no based on what I've seen at the track. You just need to look at a natsoft page after a track open day to bear testament to that.

To me its not about which car is quicker, its about the joy of driving, and mastering your art. I guess your going to say somthing like, I can be bothered in doing all this work to an R-colt, and if thats the case then maybe the cars not for you. HOWEVER, if you have spent so time in an R-colt on a twisty bit of black top and you've loved every minute of it, the question I would ask, is the relevance of your car being quicker than a WRX?

[adamtassell]

Couldn't agree with you more. The whole point is enjoyment. Whatever floats your boat.

Some people love the idea of a "giant killer" though. The look of suprise.

Personally I think there is some kind of ratio, like, if you have spent more than 15% of the car's price making it go faster, then you have bought the wrong car to start with.

Also after you have driven a piece of blacktop at the cars limits 50 times, then it becomes tempting to change the cars limits....

A stock colt is very easy to take to it's limits. In that there are not at all intimidating to drive. This is a great thing if you ask me.

[McCoy]

I must be doing somthing wrong, as the only place I've been able to test the limits of an R-colt has been the track. As for not intimidating, I've always found any performance car intimidating on a track. Respect where its due, and I reckon the R-colt deserves alot of respect on the track.

Not to brag, (I cant see any other way around it, so tough luck! :p ) I've been up the clacker of cars both double in price and output of our little car, and in most cases it was because of driver not because of car. I found the R-colt has VERY high limits, limits that you would be silly to explore on an open road, and even if you did have little regard for the law and other road users, you still wouldnt get a good or long enough idea of just how robust and special the R-colt is. On a track however, its a very different situation.

Easy to take to its limits? I cant see how or where you'd be able to sit in 4th gear at 5,500 RPM (which I have found very rewarding and if anything 'special') other than a track, and testing its limits at high RPM in 4th and 5th gear could ONLY be done on a track.

Maybe I'm easily pleased, but I've found the R-colt to be a vehicle that punches well out of its weight division, but to find that out, the road wont give you a clear indication of just how damn good the car is.

Just my opinion of course. :cool:

[adamtassell]

I am not commenting that the cars limits are low. More that I think it's limits are easy to identify and approach. It is a compliment. Read it as communicative

A cars limits include just simple acceleration. I am betting there is no way you have not floored you car at least 50 (probably 500) times and found it's limits in acceleration. After a while almost any car feels slower. It is perfectly possible to take a colt (or almost any car) to it's absolute limit without breaking any laws or endangering anyone. Reaching your cars limits in braking on a public road, or cornering, is a very different thing.

I have not spent enouh time in one to say that (you maybe have) I have tested all, or even many of the car's limits, but also I don't think 5500rpm in 4th gear is necessary to judge a car's limits.

One of the reasons that you are able to push the colt so hard is because you a use all of it's 113kw, you are not needing to hold back. My car has 300odd kw, and weighs 1230odd kg. I can't use all of that very often.

As you say...you are able to sit up the back side of much "faster" cars. I am beting this is because you can use all of your cars performance, whilst they are holding back.

That is one of the advantages of FWD. Also, just my opinion.

[adamtassell]

I must be doing somthing wrong

Bummer.Keep at it still though. J/K

[McCoy]

As you say...you are able to sit up the back side of much "faster" cars. I am beting this is because you can use all of your cars performance, whilst they are holding back.

That is one of the advantages of FWD. Also, just my opinion.

You are right on the money there! :D

Probably one of the advantages I'd say. Take for instance an EVO IX with the TMR upgrade package of 343mm 6 piston barkes, braided lines, ferodo 2500 pads, ecu upgrade, engine upgrade, fuel pump upgrade, ohlins fully adjustable coil overs, with spring in saddle arrangements, 18 inch forged OZ racing wheels etc...

That cars limits are scary for me. If you are able to extract 100% out of that car, chances are you are a full time race driver. While I can pilot that car quickly, it becomes apparent to me, that a vehicle of those specs has a much higher ceiling, and reaching such means you need giant stones to drive one at its limits, somthing which I struggle at.

A car like an evo makes a driver honest about his/her limits quickly. A car like an R-colt is a rewarding drive for just about anyone at any level. I'm not sure if you get my drift, but I'd rather have a vehicle I can extract all it has to offer without getting out of my ability zone.

Just my thoughts of course. ;)

[adamtassell]

I think we are on the same page mate!

[radstar]

Me. I was just trying to get an idea of the cars potential. you guys say its quick and only needs a few mods to be a surprise so I asked would it beat an early model std wrx if I added a few touches. The colt seems like good value second hand and as a trade in on my 2003 bravo ute I thought it a good option. so I asked thats all. But then its all negative and I figured if its that slow and heavy why bother may as well keep the ute really. But if it is quick and can be made a good little sleeper then its exactly what I want. And that is all.

[McCoy]

I think we are on the same page mate!

Yeah, I thought so too. ;)

Radstar, for what your saying, I reckon you'll be stoked with the car. Very much a sleeper, infact all you need to do is look at the 'smoke list' for exactly that. But there is SO much more than just straight line. Braking is awesome in our little car, and as for handling, well... All I can say is once youve adjusted your driving style to suit the car, you will be VERY impressed. The car just has so much mechanical grip, and if you drive it smoothly the car can be very rewarding.

Many times I've seen cars man handled around the track, when really only what may have been needed to get the car down in time is to be driven quick yet smoothly. The R-colt is such a car. Lift off oversteer is great, breaking is great, communication to the driver is great etc etc etc...

Everything you'd expect to find in a good performance car is there in the R-colt. Dont let the kw figure on paper make your decision for you as there are many cars that dont look good on paper, but ultimately translate well on the road and track. Vice versa can be said for high output cars. Try driving a 184kW saab viggen in anger...:eek: That for instance is a car that looks good on paper, but feels like you a driving a runaway rockinghorse on the road.

If it were me, I'd give myself the opportunity to find out if you like the car yourself. That way you can either scratch it off the list, or continue the process futher.

[27AME]

Yeah, I thought so too. ;)

Radstar, for what your saying, I reckon you'll be stoked with the car. Very much a sleeper, infact all you need to do is look at the 'smoke list' for exactly that. But there is SO much more than just straight line. Braking is awesome in our little car, and as for handling, well... All I can say is once youve adjusted your driving style to suit the car, you will be VERY impressed. The car just has so much mechanical grip, and if you drive it smoothly the car can be very rewarding.

Many times I've seen cars man handled around the track, when really only what may have been needed to get the car down in time is to be driven quick yet smoothly. The R-colt is such a car. Lift off oversteer is great, breaking is great, communication to the driver is great etc etc etc...

Everything you'd expect to find in a good performance car is there in the R-colt. Dont let the kw figure on paper make your decision for you as there are many cars that dont look good on paper, but ultimately translate well on the road and track. Vice versa can be said for high output cars. Try driving a 184kW saab viggen in anger...:eek: That for instance is a car that looks good on paper, but feels like you a driving a runaway rockinghorse on the road.

If it were me, I'd give myself the opportunity to find out if you like the car yourself. That way you can either scratch it off the list, or continue the process futher.

Couldn't agree with this more, the lift off and braking oversteer in the colt is one of my favourite characteristics of its handling. Very predictable and manageable, once you understand the car you can definitely use these characteristics to benefit your driving style. :)

[ColtVerR]

let me share a bit of experience based in Singapore streets..

I have taken on a mildly modified wrx (intake, header, xos, tuned) for short sprints and managed to edge out the wrx in 3rd gear...
I was doing a 1.2bar, open pod, cold air intake, turbo back stock xos...I wouldnt say based on our stock turbos, we could take on any wrxes..but on the streets...its hard to shake us off...we are pocket rockets..dont forget...not ballastic missiles...:D

[ohs]

with mods like ebc,intake & exos, this little monster will definately win a mildly mod rex. had a friendly drag with a 2.5rex with mods like EBC,exos,intake few weeks ago, 3 runs and all managed to lead him by close to 2 car length. distance was about 300m.

:D

[aby82]

with mods like ebc,intake & exos, this little monster will definately win a mildly mod rex. had a friendly drag with a 2.5rex with mods like EBC,exos,intake few weeks ago, 3 runs and all managed to lead him by close to 2 car length. distance was about 300m.

:D

nice work ohs.. and welcome to the site! :D